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I have the death certificate of Napoleon, my great grandfather's brother.
He died from violent manslaughter in the London Hospital in September 1873, aged 17.
Can anyone tell me, please, if I am likely to be able to find a newspaper report, or any hospital records, so that I can find out more details surrounding this tragic event.
Many thanks.
Sue Wallace
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have a look at this thread:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/tips_board/thread/1232525
If you are local you can access papers at the archives centr, usually the nearest main library.
jan
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Lancashire County Library and Information Service offers free access to old newspapers, you do NOT have to live or work in Lancashire to benefit. It offers free online access to the 19th Century British Library newspaper collection which has digitised copies of old local newspapers (National coverage), ideal for looking up reports of criminal proceedings, inquests ect. It also has free access to The Times Digital Archive (From 1785~1985). Both of these give access to news and events of the day via a simple search procedure.
To join visit http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries/borrower/join.asp
Fill in your details and you will be given a temporary log in number. Within a few days you will receive your membership card through the post which will give you access to their resources from your home computer.
thanks to jonesey for the tip
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Births Mar 1856 (>99%)
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RENIEUVILLE Napoleon Victor W Ham 4a 21
Deaths Sep 1873 (>99%)
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Reneval Napoleon 20 Whitechapel 1c 269
(might be worth searching under these surnames too)
Chris :)
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Many thanks for your input, Brummiejan, Tempest and Chris. I will follow up your suggestions.
Sue
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you're welcome, fingers crossed for you
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http://www.oldbaileyonline.org
TAMAUNT MORALLES, SANTIAGO SANDONNIE, Killing > murder, 27th October 1873.
683. TAMAUNT MORALLES (25), and SANTIAGO SANDONNIE (31), were indicted for the wilful murder of Napoleon Reneyal.
MESSRS. GRIFFITHS and HARMSWORTH conducted the Prosecution; and MR. F. H. LEWIS the Defence.
ELIZA RIOKWOOD . I am married, and live at 44, Bell and Anchor Cottages, West Ham—Napoleon Reneval lodged with me—I last saw him alive on 18th September, Thursday evening, and on the Saturday morning I saw him dead at the hospital.
HENRY HORACE . I live at 44, Bell and Anchor Cottages—Napoleon Reneval lodged in the same house, and we worked together—I am a coal filler to the vessels in the port—on 19th September, about 11 at night, I was with Reneval in Victoria Dock Road, going home—I received a blow in the chest from a stone—that was between the Victoria Dock gates and the Dock House Tavern— Reneval, who was walking by my side, called out "I am stabbed!"—I saw one man there in a smock frock; he was not near Reneval, he was coming the other way, but he was standing still when I got up to him—as soon as he said "I am stabbed," I saw two dark men running from him towards the Victoria Dock gates, and as soon as I saw the blood I ran after them to the Dock gaterand one of them was taken, Moralles is the man—he went in at the Dock gates, and was detained there by a man named Crawley— Reneval was sober—he had not spoken to these two men—we had had no unpleasantness or difference with them—there was a short one and a tall one—I cannot tell the tall one—I lost sight of him—I did not notice his appearance.
Cross-examined. This was over 100 yards from the Dock gates—I saw lots of men as I was going up the road, but only two men of colour—Jenner was the man in the smock frock—I was struck on the chest with a heavy stone nearly as big as my fist, and I stooped and picked it up—it did not hurt me much— Reneval went on while I was stooping—he turned to come back to me with his hand on his right thigh, and on that he was stabbed—it was not light, but I could see him turn to come back—he was about ten yards from me when he was stabbed—I don't speak to Moralles' features; I simply saw that he was a dark man.
Re-examined. I followed him to the Dock gates, and did not lose sight of him till I saw him taken by Conolly, and then I saw his face.
ROBERT JENNER . I am a carman, of 30, Hall Villa Road, Canning Town—on Friday night, about 11. 15, I was walking towards the Dock House public-house, and saw seven or eight foreigners, dark men—when I passed them they were quarrelling among themselves—I went on aud saw some of my mates—I was talking to them and Reneval came back and said "I am stabbed in the leg"—blood was pouring down his leg—Moralles was seven or eight yards off, and could hear what he said— Reneval spoke English—I noticed that Moralles had a knife in his hand—this is it (produced) I saw it taken out of his hand—I daresay he stopped a minute, and then he ran away towards the Dock gate, and the other prisoner with him—I followed them to the Dock gate, and saw this knife taken out of Moralles' breast—the other prisoner I saw taken outside the Dock.
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Cross-examined. I did not say before the Coroner that I saw "something" in his hand, I said "a knife"—I saw Moralles before Reneval said that he was stabbed—I passed seven or eight foreigners, but I did not see anything in Moralles' hand when they were all together—I did not tell the Coroner I saw the knife taken from his hand—I said I saw it taken away from him—it was taken from his breast—I don't know whether it was in a sheath—I saw Sandonnie brought out, I could not identify him then, because I did not take much notice of him, but I could tell him when I saw him next morning—I saw his face before he ran away, and he is the same man.
COURT. Q. And yet when you saw him in custody, quarter of an hour afterwards, you could not say that he was the man 1 A. I did not say that—I identified him as soon as I saw him.
Re-examined. When Sandonnie was in custody at the Dock gate, there were a lot of people there, and there would be sure to be a little bit of a disturbance—when Sandonnie was brought out they did not say anything to me about identifying him—I believe I mentioned before the Coroner, that I saw Moralles after I heard Reneval cry out that he was stabbed—I do not know why it is not down in my deposition—questions were put to me by the Coroner, and there were a lot of gentlemen who kept speaking tome.
COURT. Q. Who was it brought Sandonnie in custody to the Dock gate? A. Crawley and Fairbairn—I looked at him, and when he got up into the light I knew he was the same man who ran away with the short one (Moralles)—I don't think I said that I did not know Sandonnie at first, because I know him as well as I know him now.
JOHN CRAWLEY . I am a lighterman, of 39, Montagu Street—on 19th September I was in Victoria Dock Road, about 11. 10 or 11. 15, in company with Fairbairn and Watkins—I saw a quantity Of people there, some were foreigners and some were not—I heard a great noise and quarrelling, and when I got close to them I saw Mr. Bird (See next case) bleeding from his left wrist, and he said that he was stabbed—I saw the prisoners there—Moralles had a knife in his hand, and I saw him flourish it about by the light of the gas—that is how I knew he had a knife—they then ran away and I followed them, with Fairbairn and Watkins, and caught Moralles by the Dock Gate, and took this knife away from him—it was in a sheath, inside the front of his trousers—I saw Sandonnie brought out of the Dock, and I recognised him.
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COURT. Q. Was there much light there? A. There was gas in the road, about every fifty yards or less—I think the road is about ten yards wide, with the pathway as well—there is just room for a couple of waggons to pass comfortably, and the foot pavement—I stood on a piece of waste ground, neither on the road nor on the footway—I saw Bird picked up by the side of the road off the waste way, and Moralles was close by with the knife in his hand—I did not see Reneval that night, but I afterwards saw him in the hospital.
JAMES FAIRBAIRN . I am a lighterman, of 90, Rathbone Street, Canning Town—on 19th September, about 11. 15—I was with Crawley and Watkins, and saw the prisoners molesting Bird, between the Dock gates and the public-house—they were knocking him about—he halloaed out
when he was on the ground that he was stabbed—the prisoners ran away and I ran after them, and took Sandonnie inside the Dock, near the water—I saw him throw something into the Dock and heard it splash—I can form no idea of what it was—I did not see Reneval.
GEORGE MORGAN . I am house-surgeon at tihe London Hospital—on 20th September, about 12.20, Reneval was brought in in a state of exhaustion, bleeding from a wound on his right thigh, such as might be caused by this knife—he died two hours after his admission, from exhaustion from loss of blood from the wound.
Cross-examined. I believe a policeman brought him to the hospital, which is, I think, two or three miles from the Docks—there was only one wound.
GEORGE MITCHELL (Policeman K 303). On 19th September, about 11. 20, I was on duty, and heard halloaing and shouting in Victoria Dock Road—I went towards the Dock House and saw Fairbairn, who gave Sandonnie into my custody; and after going about forty yards, Crawley gave Moralles to me—I took him to the station, and handed Sandonnie over to another prisoner—Crawley handed this knife to me at the station—I saw a slight swelling on Moralles' face
WILLIAM NELSON (Policeman K 547). I was on duty, and saw the prisoners in Mitchell's custody—he gave Sandonnie to me—on the road to the station he told me that he had no use for a knife, and afterwards he said that he did not throw a knife away, it was knocked out of his hand—he spoke as good English as I can.
Cross-examined. I told him that he must go to the station—he said "Very good"—I then said "What did you do with the knife?"—I asked him that because I heard some people mention a knife—I did not ask him what he had done with it more than the people round did—I was on the road to the station—he said that it was knocked out of his hand, that was a contrary statement—a great number of people were following.
JOHN LOVE (Policeman K H 40). I was on duty, and saw the deceased at the Clarendon police-station after he was wounded—I took him to the London Hospital.
Cross-examined. I did not take him to any apothecary first—Dr. Morris and I went simultaneously to the spot, and he ordered the public-house doors to be opened, and the landlord admitted us and did all he possibly could by tying handkerchiefs round the deceased's thigh, and then I took him to the hospital.
MR. LEWIS submitted that there was no evidence against Sandonnier there was only one wound, and there was no evidence of concert between the prisoners. MR. GRIFFITHS contended that it was for the Jury to say whether they were not out for a common purpose. The case was left to the Jury.
MORALLES— GUILTY of Manslaughter. — Five Years' Penal Servitude.
SANDONNIE— NOT GUILTY .
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