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I don't think Edith b 1906 would be of much help as you have all the details already of Ada b 1908's siblings

Could quite be possable they were not so i think its down trying to find out more information on Elizabeth if we can

can't find a birth for anything like Louisa - which begs the question 'were ANYof their births registered'

picture of stowell memorial

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Salford/StowellMemorial.shtml

we did,nt come across Lousia did we as yet?al;so Ada had daughter called Edith as well born in 1906

sorry did,nt see the replys above mybe Elizabeth would be the best bet and might shed some light on Ada,forgot to add know we have not found out yet if Elizabeth was connected to me

Will try that lancashireAnn
LadyKira Ismay street is the next street to were my grandmother lived,but why does it have on the 1891 Manchester by her name and on the 1901,i mean by Elizabeths name if it is in fact Manchester thats the same by Ada,s name or am i getting confused again?

lol
great minds

we have still not proved ada's parentage
john william or robert but tracing Elizabeth may be helpful.
we just have elizabeth living near ada and baxendales on the same street as Samuel.
but we still have this

Baptisms: 28 Jul 1872 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Ada Mary Bassindale - Child of Robert Bassindale & Caroline
Abode: 231 Cross Lane
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: W. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1898, Page 18, Entry 142
Source: LDS Film 2357994

Baptisms: 28 Jul 1872 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Bassindale - Child of Robert Bassindale & Caroline
Abode: 231 Cross Lane
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: W. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1898, Page 18, Entry 141
Source: LDS Film 2357994

which could also bring us back to this one - sisters baptised together as children not babies

Baptisms: 28 Jul 1872 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Ada Mary Bassindale - Child of Robert Bassindale & Caroline
Abode: 231 Cross Lane
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: W. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1898, Page 18, Entry 142
Source: LDS Film 2357994

Baptisms: 28 Jul 1872 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Bassindale - Child of Robert Bassindale & Caroline
Abode: 231 Cross Lane
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: W. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1898, Page 18, Entry 141
Source: LDS Film 2357994

wish I could find a marriage for these 2

You are right about that LK - had not noticed the Lincoln Middlesex version for Caroline Barnes before

looking at place names on here i would say that geography was not a strong point.

which takes you to

1871 census - household transcription
Person: BASSENDALE, Elizabeth
Address: Worsley Street, Salford
BASSENDALE, William Head M 69 1802 Lincolnshire VIEW
BASSENDALE, Louisa Granddaughter F 11 1860 Lincolnshire VIEW
BASSENDALE, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 8 1863 Lincolnshire VIEW
BASSENDALE, Ada Granddaughter F 2 1869 Lincolnshire VIEW
COPUR, Maggie Visitor F 32 1839 Lincolnshire

IF Elizabeth Botcher is related to you (have we proved that yet?) this could be Lucy Edith's baptism

Baptisms: 3 Jan 1900 St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
Edith Lucy Jones - Child of John Frederick Jones & Elizabeth
Born: 8 Dec 1899
Abode: 13 Peveril Street Walton
Occupation: Ship's Steward
Baptised by: F. Johnson (Curate).
Register: Baptisms 1894 - 1902, Page 302, Entry 2399
Source: LDS Film 1647567

this would match with that marriage in New York (apart from Elizabeth's birthplace - this time Doncaster - Dorchester a mistranslation?) & John F was a ship's steward, presumably at sea in 1901

1881 census - household transcription
Person: BASSINDALE, Elizabeth
Address: 94, Boundary St, Liverpool
BARNES, Caroline Head Widow F 40 1841
Lincoln
Middlesex
BASSINDALE, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 19 1862 Servant
Belton
Lincolnshire
UNDERWOOD, John Lodger Single M 25 1856 Timber Bender
Plymouth
Devon
TRENCH, Joshua Lodger Single M 23 1858 Sailor
Penketh
Lancashire
KAYSO, John Lodger Single M 19 1862 Sailor
United States
MONTGOMERY, Robt Lodger Single M 23 1858 Dock Labourer
Ireland

1891 census - household transcription
Person: BOTTCHER, Elizabeth
Address: 77, Ismay Street, Walton On The Hill, Walton
BOTTCHER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1863
Manchester
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, France Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, Ada Daughter F 18 1873 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, Emily Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire

Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
Bassindale Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 801
BOTTCHER Frederick West Derby 8b 801



1901 census - household transcription
Person: BOTTCHER, Frederick
Address: 13, Peveril Street, Walton On The Hill, Liverpool
JONES, Elizabeth Head Married F 38 1863
Doncaster
Yorkshire
JONES, Lucy Edith Daughter F 1 (15 MOS) 1900
Liverpool
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, Frederick Step Son M 9 1892
Liverpool
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, Francis James Step Son Single M 20 1881 Railway Porter
Liverpool
Lancashire

I think that you have confused what you know with what has been found for you over the years. I think you will need to put aside everything you think you know and work from there. you have ada mary's marriage cert and some census info. we have found some bassindales on the same street as the mellors so that may well be how they met,


why not try to make a tree for those bassindales just to see where that leads?

i also think mary would be a good name to try.

i have often come across people who are called by their middle name. seems quite common in lancashire.

Elizabeth had daughter called Ada and Ada called one of her daughters Elizabeth Mary,thats why i thought they might have been sisters i tell you that did,nt half give us the round around trying to find them,have them all on my g,fathers side the Mellors but nothing for g,mother at all its mistery

thanks dutch

really just looking for another way to go to find the right Bassingdales