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but you have given me info on james (jim),george and harry all registered in both names then my dad jack was born1925 have got to go now but back 5ish thanks for ALL your help chris

but you have given me info on james (jim),george and harry all registered in both names then my dad jack was born1925 have got to go now but back 5ish thanks for ALL your help chris

to buy copies of certificates you use the GRO reference on freebmd and order them through the site http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/

cost £9.25 - NEVER pay more than this. Some other sites charge a lot more

I can't believe you have managed to do your maternal side accurately back to 1500 without buying certificates and in such a short time. It takes most of us years to search parish registers and wait for certificates

Chris - if you want to create an accurate tree you should keep careful records

There were only 3 children born illegitimately - Kathleen (just!) b 1827 & Joyce born after marriage, Joyce was born AFTER Kathleen in 1932

thanks lancashire ann there are no certifcates atll but I understand you can buy old copies?.I have his birthc1878 which makes him 22 when he married clara claxton and 49 when he married sarh elizabeth the only other thing I know about him is that he had a brother who had a geengrocers business in Rotherham, south yorkshire

you start with the marriage certificate of Walter & Sarah

with a name like Shepherd you could easily go down the wrong track so need his age & occupation on marriage and his father's name and occupation

there is nothing that can be found on-line to give Walter's age at the time of his marriage and you have no idea where he was born

thanks that confirms the marriage at worksop of walter s and sarh eliz. twere my grandparents and at least 4 of the children WERE illegitimate as my dad jack was born aug 1925 and the age of joyce at death i only got from a relative so she was only 1 when she died then came kathleen . now how can I find the parents of Walter which I'm going to try to do when I come back at 5ish.do I start with births in yorkshire?

James & harry & George were all registered in both the name Chapman & Shepherd which indicates that Walter and Sarah were not married at the time of their births

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Chapman James Tanswell Worksop 7b 98

Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
CHAPMAN Harry Tanswell Worksop 7b 79

Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
Chapman George Tanswell Rother V. 9b

what a mess I'm making of this! it's a good job your brains are in gear! -yes, I meant born 1850

lancashire ann - I think the info on Charles death is positive trying to sort out with madbull now the riests as i made a mess of the info I gave !!! I have mary ann riest from coventry some info posted the other day but madbull htinks norfolk and that could be correct as I have seen some info about Landford brigg and i,ve just looked at the atlas and that;s in norfolk. now madly hunting for that scrap of info I picked up somewhere I've only got about 25 mins as I'm due out to a writing club chris

"She was married toEdward Tansell c1850."

did you mean Edward was born 1850?

1881
Edward TANSWELL Head M Male 31 Coventry, Warwick, England Laborer
Mary Ann TANSWELL Wife M Female 31 Norfolk, England
Hannah TANSWELL Daur Female 6 Hull, York, England Scholar
Robert TANSWELL Son Male 5 m Hull, York, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Station Court Canning Street
Census Place Kingston-upon-Hull, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342152
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4769 / 53
Page Number 24

According to the 1881 census Edward & Mary Ann were both born 1850, Edward in Coventry and Mary Ann in Norfolk. Children Hannah 6 and Robert 5 months were born in Hull.

could the spelling of RIEST be rEIst- and I have ther births c1850 chris

madbull, now I,m confused again! I,ll try again this is what I have:-
walter shepherd marries sarah elizabeth TANSWELL woksop 1927
sarh elizabeth tanswell,s parents-edward tansell (coventry?) married to Mary anne RIEST of coventry the children were born in hull is that better? chris

But Christine you said right from the beginning that Sarah Elizabeth was nee Reist but now it's her mother who was nee Reist. However I can't find any marriage for Edward Tanswell nor for Mary Reist.

lancashire ann no birth certificates sadly that's the problem but I know for def. that all the children's names are correct and match the right parents chris

Madbull

this is what is confusing me

"In answer to madbulls question about sarah's mother being nee Reist that info was passed on by another family member but not 100% but 98% we have always believed this to be correct. She was married toEdward Tansell c1850. i'm sure they lived in Hull but Mary anne could be from Coventry.I would like to find out more about this"

combined with

"Charlie chapman marries sarah elizabeth tanswell (nee RIEST) in hull 1903 he dies (When?)"

I can't find any Tansell / Reist marriages anywhere between 1845 & 1903 and we do have that birth of Sarah Elizabeth TANSELL in 1885

madbull, I have sarah's mum as Mary anne (neeRIEST-this si only info given to me by family not from records) and I think she lived in Hull but don,t know where she was born as ai can't find any info on tthe RIEST family don't you think they are the same sarhs? chris shepherd

possibly Charles death

Deaths Jun 1918 (>99%)
Chapman Charles H 41 Worksop 7b 45

Do you have any of the children's birth certificates to prove that the names you are following are right please?

But according to the 1891 census Sarah's mother was Mary A. born 1850, Norfolk.