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hi folks especially maddie and redbull. Sorry its taken so long,but the information you have given me makes the results of our quest read as follows:-
Walter shepherd marries clara claxton in leeds june 1900 she dies(when?)
Charlie chapman marries sarah elizabeth tanswell (nee RIEST) in hull 1903 he dies (When?)
walter shepherd marries sarah elizabeth in woksop 1927 after several of the children were born!!! but the info all seems legit. now i need to find out more about the chapmans and riests please

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"Sarah Elizabeth Tanswell (neeRiest) Hull? married Charlie Chapman from? Children:- Mary,Doris,Charlie,Phylis,Winnie,Reenie, Maybe from Barton-on-humber."

are you now saying that it was this Sarah's MOTHER who was born Sarah Reist please?

Both the marriages are already posted on p 1

It happened frequently that people did not marry until after children were born. Often the previous husband was still alive at the time they got together and divoerce was tooo expensive for most people

ther are several items people have posted which look positive. the names from madbull alst posted are hot matched they are definately my father's siblings (my dad was definately a jack and not a john).I THINK he was born next, then kathleen. the 2 marriages of charles chapman ans sarahelizabeth Tanswell and Wlater to sarah are the ones I'm searching for. but the walter and sarah 1927 is 2 years after my fathers birth. Did folks really have 4/5 kids in those days before getting married? In answer to madbulls question about sarah's mother being nee Reist that info was passed on by another family member but not 100% but 98% we have always believed this to be correct. She was married toEdward Tansell c1850. i'm sure they lived in Hull but Mary anne could be from Coventry.I would like to find out more about this

George Tanswell was not actually registered until Dec qtr 1940

Rother V 9c 1365

district of Rother V was not created until 1938 when it became the reg district which included Dinnington

So it looks like Tanswell was her maiden name.
1891 census
11 Short St., Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire
Edward Tanswell, head, 40, labourer (general), born Coventry, Warwicks
Mary A., wife, 41, charwoman, born ?, Norfolk
Hannah, dau, 15, born Hull
Robert, son, 10, born "
David, son, 8, born "
Sarah E., dau. 5, born "

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
TANSWELL Sarah E Myton Hull MYT/153/35

(Sarah Elizabeth on freebmd)

on freebmd Worksop is the registration district which inludes Dinnington

Kathleen? But mother's maiden name is given as Chapman:

Births Sep 1927 (>99%)
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Shepherd Kathleen Chapman Worksop 7b 90

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There's a death of Joyce Shepherd in Worksop but she was less than 1.

Deaths Mar 1933 (>99%)
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Shepherd Joyce 0 Worksop 7b 78

There are these Shepherd births with mother's maiden name Tanswell but you said she was nee Riest. Where did that come from?

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
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Shepherd James Tanswell Worksop 7b 98

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Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
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Shepherd Harry Tanswell Worksop 7b 79

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Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
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Shepherd George Tanswell Rother V. 9c See D'40

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Births Dec 1932 (>99%)
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Shepherd Joyce Tanswell Worksop 7b 69

I wonder if your father could have been George and used Jack as a nickname? Although Jack is usually a nickname for John. This George's birth was registered Oct/Nov/Dec quarter so could have been born August.

ok thanks. I think I'll give up for today go and have some tea then try again tomorrow on my new lap top 'cos this ones playing up and I can't tell whether its sent messages or not1!! c

christine
keep to this posting.
keeps all the info in one place
maddie

madBull, thanks for the last piece of info. It does seem strange and my dad was def. born aug 1925 but the names match and Worksop is only a few miles away from Dinnigton where I know my dad was brought up ps do I relpy at the bottom of these or pelies or should I go back on to record list and do a fresh posting? Shep

Walter & Sarah's marriage: But after Jack's birth.

Marriages Jun 1927 (99%)
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Chapman Sarah E Shepherd Worksop 7b 136
Shepherd Walter Chapman Worksop 7b 136

sorry the shepherd family is soooooooo complicated. I have no birth, marriage or death certifictes. firstly Sarah Elizabeth Tanswell ( nee Riest fromHULL ) married Charlie Chapman from???? in1903 in hull .
Walter Shepherd from?? married??( Possibly a clara claxton from leeds (someone - lancashireann has suggested this info.) - she died don't know when.
then Walter Shepherd married Sarah Elizabeth Tanswell probably around 1915-1921 as my dad (jack was born1925 and wasn't the oldest of Walter and Elizabeth's children they had together. The others were, harry, george ,kathleen, Joyce(died 2and a half yrs),Jim
Elizabeth and Charles Chapman' s children were, mary,doris,charlie,phylis,winnie,reenie
Walter and ???????s children were walter,fred,lily,elsie
not sure if this is any cleare than the first posting! but thankyou all those who have sent info (JUST WHERE &HOW DO YOU GET IT & SO QUICKLY) I,ve spent the last hour on gr records and can find nothing positive as ther are so many walter shepherds etc and not knowing there d.o.bs or origins is frustrating.There is only my dad left and I haven't seen him for 41 yrs - he did a runner to Leicester (I'm in Sheffield. The woodhouse info looks promising I'll keep trying but still need help thanks chris shepherd (shep)

wonder if this one is relevant
Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Shepherd Jack R Shepherd Rochdale 8e 8

can't seem to find the death of Elsie at 16 and Joyce at 2

I can't find a Shepherd / Tanswell marriage nor a birth for a Jack Shepherd in the right area in 1925

from yorkshirebmd.org.uk

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHEPHERD Walter CLAXTON Clara Leeds Registered Building Leeds RB/133/199

Christine, it's been an hour now. If you want help come back and answer some questions.

1911 census ??? Charles Chapman
CHAPMAN, Charles Henry Head Married M 33 1878 Fish Dealer Lincolnshire Barton on Humber VIEW
CHAPMAN, Sarah Elizabeth Wife Married
8 years F 26 1885 Assisting In Business Hull Yorkshire VIEW
CHAPMAN, Mary Hannah Daughter F 7 1904 Lincolnshire Barton on Humber VIEW
CHAPMAN, Doris Daughter F 4 1907 Lincolnshire Barton on Humber VIEW
CHAPMAN, Charles Jarvis Edward Son M 2 1909 Lincolnshire Barton on Humber VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20114 Reference:
RG14PN20114 RG78PN1202 RD424 SD3 ED20 SN269

Registration District:
Glanford Brigg Sub District:
Barton Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Barton upon Humber

Address:
93 Newport Street Barton upon Humber County:

chapman / tanswell marraige
Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
Burton Sarah Elizabeth Hull 9d 527 Scan available - click to view
Chapman Charles Henry Hull 9d 527 Scan available - click to view
Redhead Albert Hull 9d 527 Scan available - click to view
TANSWELL Sarah Elizabeth Hull 9d 527 Scan available - click to view