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You are a genius, MarieCeleste.

The family story was that Mary Waters Thomas's mother was from quite a wealthy family; apparently they had fish brought from Aberdeen every week - looking at these two (Ship Carrier William and Scottish-born Elizabeth) it rung a bell with me straight away. (Although I have to stay the wealth never filtered down as my grandparents were disowned by both sides!)

Joyce, I think that Ship Carrier in 1871 should really be Ship Carver.

1881:

GUEST, William Head Widower M 50 1831 Wood Carver & Joiner (Unemployed) Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, William R Son Single M 13 1868 Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, John J Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, Charlotte E Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, Priscilla Daughter Single F 2 1879 Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, Esther Mother Widow F 78 1803 Rightington Lancashire

Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: Everton
Civil Parish: Everton
Municipal Borough:

Address: 69, Towson St, Everton County: Lancashire

If the death that Ozibird found is right then William may have remarried (but she's gone too?)

My postings keep disappearing! Sorry, everyone.

You are a genius, MarieCeleste.

The family story was that Mary Waters Thomas's mother was from quite a wealthy family; apparently they had fish brought from Aberdeen every week - looking at these two (Ship Carrier William and Scottish-born Elizabeth) it rung a bell with me straight away. (Although I have to stay the wealth never filtered down as my grandparents were disowned by both sides!)

This seems to fit for age.

Deaths Dec 1867
Guest Elizabeth 34 W. Derby 8b 361

Possibly died as a result of giving birth to

Births Dec 1867
Guest William Robert W. Derby 8b 435

Joyce, I think that 1881 is the right one!

The son's name (William R) tallies with the 1871, and Willian senior's occupation is correct.

(your reply automatically goes to the last page, you can't choose where to put it!)

Sorry, MarieCeleste, I pressed a wrong key I think.

I meant to put my last message on this board.

Thanks, MarieCeleste.

I found whom I thought was 'my' William on the 1881 Census described as an unemployed wood carver and joiner.

I've spent so much time on this that I feel for those people searching for surnames Smith, Jones, Brown etc.

Now back to the drawing-board!

I think this may be William, son of Esther and William, in 1861 (the occupation fits in):

GUEST, William Head Married M 30 1831 Ship Carrier Liverpool
GUEST, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1833 Scotland

Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: 2 Everton
Enumeration District: 63
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Marys
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Municipal Borough: Liverpool

Address: 10, Alcocks Buildings, Marley Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Joyce, this marriage registration:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1891
Guest Mary Waters W. Derby 8b 504
Oates Sarah Jane W. Derby 8b 504
Spencer Harry W. Derby 8b 504
Thomas Joseph Henry W. Derby 8b 504

Names two different couples marriages recorded at same time

I would strongly recommend getting a copy of Mary and Joseph's marriage cert to be 100% sure.

Now that the facts are emerging, I don't think that 1859 marriage is your William.

Mary Waters Guest married Joseph Henry Thomas
Edge Hill, Lancs
Free Marriage Index: Reg. March 1891, Vol. 8b, 504 at West Derby
Witnesses: (I think) Sarah Oates and Harry Spencer (unless this the next marriage registered).

I don't have the marriage cert but the bride's father's name is given as William Guest.

So this must be Mary Water's father with his family in 1851:

GUEST, William Head Married M 47 1804 Smithy Labour Lyme Cheshire
GUEST, Esther Wife Married F 48 1803 Wrightington Lancashire
GUEST, Priscilla Daughter Unmarried F 22 1829 At Home Liverpool Lancashire
GUEST, William Son Unmarried M 20 1831 App To Ship Carver Liverpool Lancashire
GUEST, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 At Home Liverpool Lancashire

Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: Everton
Enumeration District: 31
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Municipal Borough: Liverpool

Address: 1, Alcocks Buildings, Kirkdale, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

For reference, this is the 1871 referred to:

GUEST, William Head M 68 1803 Cheshire - horticultural labourer
GUEST, Esther Wife F 68 1803 Lancashire
GUEST, Isabella E Granddaughter F 9 1862 Lancashire
GUEST, Mary W Granddaughter F 7 1864 Lancashire
GUEST, William R Grandson M 3 1868 Lancashire

Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: Everton
Enumeration District: 99
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Municipal Borough: Liverpool

Address: Westminster Road, Kirkdale, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Children all born Kirkdale

Joyce, on Mary Water's marriage certificate, what was her father's occupation, and who were the witnesses?

Who did she marry, where and when?

Mary Waters Guest is my great grandmother. On her marriage cert she gave her father's name as William Guest. I did not know her mother's name but from the above it would seem to be Elizabeth McNeal, however I've found Mary and siblings on the 1871 census living with grandparents, William and Esther Guest (nee Broker).
They must have been William's parents yet on his marriage cert, William names his father as Edward Guest, a grocer.
Which line would you suggest I follow because I named William and Esther, the grandparents, as William's parents on my tree - not Edward.

Joyce, the best thing is to start from one of your direct ancestors and work back.

(I guess those 19.. years should be 18..)

Who is Mary Waters Guest?

pm from Joyce:

This is proving difficult as William (b 1931) when he married Elizabeth McNeal in 1859 gave his father's name as Edward yet I foundMary Waters Guest in the 1871 census she was living with grandparents, William and Esther Guest (nee Broker).

I have photocopies of parish registers of the births of
Priscilla Guest, baptized March 1929, Mary, bapt 1835 and William, bapt 1830 all listing William Guest and Esther Guest (nee Broker).

In addition, Mary Waters Guest gives her father's name as William Guest on her marriage cert.

Can you fathom out where I've gone wrong?

Dea,

Initially, trying to find out who married William Guest and where she disappeared to.

Now find from the marriage information that William's father was Edward Guest - I had that wrong so it's back to the drawing board, I think!

Got copies of other birth/marriage/death certs but none for their children.

I've cross-referenced the marriage and thank you again, MarieCeleste, because the entries for both surnames were very faded and I had the wrong volume number.

Now I'll search census and other sites.