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I think the Maurice Sylvester arriving in uk above is most likely
the one given a date of birth 19/9/1913 and died 1993 Aug Stockport

There is a Maurice Sylvester aged 33 arriving from New York in Queen Elizabeth to Southampton 10/2/1947 -Company Director -heading for 25 Ballbrook Ave Manchester
If it is the right one maybe he got home just in time for the twins births!
It says his last permanent residence was England so it doesnt look as if he was born USA,although he could have been born anywhere

Dont know about Helen but I was using Ancestry BMD but the info should still be on freebmd as it is same source -you search for children using the fathers surname together with the mothers maiden name
Having trouble with Morris Sylvester -found a Morris Silvester died 1961 Jun Q Halifax wit est year of birth 1891 but he seems way too old for Muriel who was born 1920 Newcastle

but do note that the Miriam Garber that was posted by Ann of Green Gables seems to be completely unrelated ... she was -17- years old in 1911 and your Miriam was born in 1913

the births of Miriam and her sisters really are extremely easy to find on freebmd

once you find Miriam you know that her mother's "maiden name" ( MMN as Flick put it but you may not have known what that meant ) was Bayarsky

then you search for all births with surname Garber and mother Bayarsky to find the other four ( this will only give births starting in 1911 because before that the mother's surname was not in the index )

Helen's list missed one ... you can find it ! ... and the garbled name is Samuel

Hi,

Don't worry if the birthplace seems confusing ie Poland on one document, Russia on another.
Don't discount anything just because they don't appear to fit....its best to keep an open mind about birthplace (and spellings too).

My grandfather is listed as Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, Russian Pole, Polish Lit, depending on which document I'm reading. In actual fact he was born in Lithuania!!
However, since Russia ruled many of its neighbours at one time or other, it is common to see, for example, Russian Pole, or Russian Estonian - this was akin to, say, British Welsh or British Scot - ie it was used to define the ethnicity of those states or countries within another.
Sorry if it sounds confusing, but it doesn't stop there, because regardless of whether Russia was ruling, occupying, or what, there were also internal issues, wars and conflicts which caused borders to be constantly changing, as each town or city was won or lost!
My grandmother was born in 1900 in a Lithuanian town very close to the Polish border. The border moved that often I'm surprised grandma knew WHAT country she was living in!!

Have a look at
www.cyndislist.com
www.jewishgen.org/databases
www.genforum.genealogy.com (go to the country boards).
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com (scroll down to message boards).
www.immigrantships.net

K

May I just point out that familysearch has PARISH records............which, by definition, are gentile records

1911 census - household transcription
Person: HYMAN, Moses
Address: 64 Maple Street Newcastle-Upon-Tyne

HYMAN, Moses Head Married M 53 1858 Pawnbroker Poland VIEW
HYMAN, Annie Wife Married
33 years F 50 1861 Born At Newcastle on Tyne Sunderland Co Durham VIEW
HYMAN, Nathern Son Single M 27 1884 Cabinet Maker Born At Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
HYMAN, Rockie Daughter Single F 22 1889 Born At Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
HYMAN, Louie Son Single M 20 1891 Upholsterer Born At Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
HYMAN, Gertie Daughter Single F 18 1893 Born At Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
HYMAN, Jacob Son Single M 16 1895 Born At Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
HYMAN, Eittie Daughter F 14 1897 Born At Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
HYMAN, David Son M 8 1903 Born At Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
HYMAN, Lily Daughter F 10 1901 Born At Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30583 Reference:
RG14PN30583 RG78PN1753 RD558 SD3 ED5 SN223


2 out of 14 children born during the marriage have died

1911 census - household transcription
Person: LUKES, Israel
Address: 40 Waverley Terrace Newcastle-Upon-Tyne

LUKES, Jacob Head Widower M 63 1848 Tailor Maker Russ Poland Resident VIEW
LUKES, Rebecca Daughter Single F 29 1882 London England VIEW
MORRIS, Essie Granddaughter F 10 1901 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne VIEW
BELL, Lizzie Servant Married F 38 1873 General Domestic Servant Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
LUKES, Israel Son Married M 32 1879 Tailor Maker London England VIEW
LUKES, S Wife Married F 24 1887 Newcastle on Tyne VIEW

1911 census - household transcription
Person: GARBER, Rose
Address: 13 Dale Street St Chad St Cheetham Manchester


GARBER, Asher Head Married M 46 1865 Slipper Maker Russia Schlevitch Resident VIEW
GARBER, Blumer Wife Married
26 years F 48 1863 Russia Schlevitch Resident VIEW
GARBER, Hyman Son Single M 21 1890 Tailor Cheetham Manchester VIEW
GARBER, Jane Daughter F 13 1898 School Cheetham Manchester VIEW
GARBER, Rose Daughter F 11 1900 School Cheetham Manchester VIEW
GARBER, Fanny Daughter F 9 1902 School Cheetham Manchester VIEW
GARBER, Betsie Daughter F 6 1905 School Cheetham Manchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24116 Reference:
RG14PN24116 RG78PN1386 RD466 SD2 ED1 SN93

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
Central Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Manchester

The births and marriages are ALL on freebmd!

You could also use the following site.........where appropriate

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

First,a couple of facts:
1) Post-Napoleon, Poland was a province of the Russian Empire thru just post WW1 (i.e., thru just post revolution)

2) You can buy BMD certs from the GRO, or from the local Registrar's Office where the event occurred.
FreeBMD is transcribing the GRO index thru 1983, but there are also some local indices online.
Although the GRO has a copy of the local rego entries, the abstracted details given in the ;local index don't always coimcide with those in the local index.

For local indices, see: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

especially
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/your-council/register-office/historical-searches


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GARBER * Henry BAYARSKI Rebecca Manchester, Holy Law Beth Aron Manchester 503/5/47
GARBER * Henry BAYARSKY Rebecca Manchester, Holy Law Beth Aron Manchester 503/5/47
Where the first surname is a web link followed by an asterisk (*), it signifies that there are alternative entries in the database for this reference number.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1937
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GARBER Miriam SIMON Daniel Manchester, Great Synagogue Manchester 512/21/200



Births Jun 1860 (>99%)
SCHLESINGER Anne Sunderland 10a 461


Marriages Mar 1878 (>99%)
HYMAN Moses Newcastle T. 10b 195
Schlesenger Annie Newcastle T 10b 195
Schlesenger Hannah Newcastle T 10b 195

1878 HYMAN Moses
1878 SCHLESINGER Hannah
Marriage venue - Church unknown
Register No./Entry No.
JLP2/24
[NuT RO don't list this church (JLP), but from the J prefix, I infer it's a synagogue]


Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
Hyman Leah Newcastle T. 10b 15

Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
Lukes Israel Whitechapel 1c 347

Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%)
Lukes Sarah 69 Newcastle T. 10b 63

Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%)
BARNETT Levi Newcastle T. 10b 228
Hyman Leah Newcastle T 10b 228
Levy Matilda Newcastle T. 10b 228
Lukes Israel Newcastle T. 10b 228



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It would be useful to have transcriptions of several 1911s
Specifically, those containing:


HOUSEHOLD HYMAN MOSES M 1858 53 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland

HOUSEHOLD LUKES ISRAEL M 1879 32 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
[This h/h has a Mrs S Lukes a=24 - the "S" needs checking to see if it might be an "I" or an "L"]

HOUSEHOLD GARBER ROSE F 1900 11 Manchester Lancashire

Thanks K I was wondering what info ancestry worldwide had if they had anything on Russia I'm on Ancestry but just the basic and I must admit I don't get the full use out of it think it's an age thing.
As I said I'm going to sign off now I'm at my daughters in London then in Manchester for a few days so I'm not going to be able to do anything now until Sunday

Sylvia

Just to let you know that the Jewish Online Worldwide Burial Index is available on Ancestry and includes this

Name: Max Silverman
Birth Date: abt 1858
Birth Place: 81 Gadlys Rd., Aberdare
Death Date: 29 Dec 1923
Age at Death: 65
Burial Place: Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, United Kingdom
Cemetery: Merthyr
Cemetery Address: Glamorganshire
Cemetery Burials: 624
Cemetery Comments: CEFN-COED: see MERTHYR TYDFIL MERTHYR TYDFIL: Glamorganshire, South Wales Jewish cemetery is in Cefn-coed (pronounced Kevin-Coyd) {10952} Merthyr once had a large and prosperous Jewish community dating from at least 1850.

I have and nothing

Thank you for all your help I'll have to go now my granddaughter is shouting

Ancestry and find my past, there might be some records on family search i,ve not looked on there.

Helen

THANKS AGAIN HELEN

WHICH SITE IS ALL THIS ON

My daughter has just come in and she is so curious about her inlaws background now that I've been able to give her some info, infact more so than her own side

GARBER, Bella
Registration District: Help Prestwich
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 8D
Page No: Help 282

Miriam Garber Oct-Nov-Dec 1913 Prestwich Lancashire

Jenny Garber Oct-Nov-Dec 1915 Prestwich Lancashire

Seaual M Garber Oct-Nov-Dec 1918 Frestwich Lancashire

Esther Garber Apr-May-Jun 1926 Manchester North Lancashire

wow HELEN

Fantastic it'll take a bit of sinking in but that's really good thank you so much for your time and trouble

Is their any way of finding out if their was any siblings for Bela

Name: BAYARSKY, Rebecca
Registration District: Help Manchester
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 8D
Page No: Help 338

Henry garber

RG14PN24187 RG78PN1388 RD467 SD1 ED17 SN107

Reg. District: Prestwich Sub District: Cheetham
Parish: North Manchester Enum. District: 17
Address: 22 Cheetham St Cheetham Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born


GARBER, Henry Head Married M 24 1887 Waterproofers Russia Resident
GARBER, Rebecca Wife Married F 24 1887 Russia Resident
GARBER, Bela Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Manchester Lancashire