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25 Sep 2011 12:38 |
Does any body know of Elizabeth Shannon c1864 who married Edward Rudkin c1860. I seem to have two families mixed up and I need to sort it out. Brian
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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25 Sep 2011 12:44 |
This is the only marriage I can see at the moment but the date is wildly out:
Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%) Lewis John W. Derby 8b 691 Scan available - click to view Rudkin Edward W Derby 8b 691 Scan available - click to view Shannan Elizabeth W Derby 8b 691 Scan available - click to view Smith Elizabeth W Derby 8b 691 Scan available - click to view
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Christina(Lancashire)
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25 Sep 2011 12:44 |
The only marriage for those names on freebmd is this one in 1860.
But they are born c1842 and 1839.
Is your Edward Rudkin their son?
Marriage: 19 Nov 1860 St Michael in the Hamlet, Aigburth, Lancashire, England Edward Rudkin - 21 Shipwright Bachelor of Wellington Road Elizabeth Shannan - 18 Spinster of Hill St Groom's Father: Richard Rudkin, Labourer Bride's Father: Alexander Shannan, Labourer Witness: Robert T. Roberts; Elizabeth Serathon Married by Banns by: Dyson Mycroft, Off. Min. Register: Marriages 1860 - 1864, Page 10, Entry 19 Source: LDS Film 2147882
Marriage details from Lancashire Online Parish Clerks.....
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
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Thelma
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25 Sep 2011 12:50 |
1861 England Census about Elizabeth Rudkin Name: Elizabeth Rudkin Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Edward Rudkin Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 43 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 104 Piece: 2706 Folio: 42 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Edward Rudkin 22 Elizabeth Rudkin 18 Elizabeth Rudkin 1 MO
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25 Sep 2011 12:52 |
1881
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Edward RUDKIN Head M Male 42 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Shipwright Elizabeth RUDKIN Wife M Female 37 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife Of Shipwright Edward RUDKIN Son U Male 16 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Plumbers Apprentice Alexander RUDKIN Son Male 12 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar Richard RUDKIN Son Male 11 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar William RUDKIN Son Male 9 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar Frederick RUDKIN Son Male 6 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar Joseph Wilson RUDKIN Son Male 4 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Arthur RUDKIN Son Male 4 m Liverpool, Lancashire, England Richard RUDKIN Father W Male 66 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Elizabeth RUDKIN Mother W Female 90 Westmorland, England (No Occ)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 13 South Street Census Place Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England Family History Library Film 1341874 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3647 / 4 Page Number 2
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25 Sep 2011 13:07 |
Hello Brian, to make sure we're looking at the right people it would be really helpful if you could tell us who you are working back from, so we can see where these people fit (or not!).
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lancashireAnn
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25 Sep 2011 13:53 |
Baptisms: 5 Apr 1863 St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Lancashire, England William Frederick Rudkin - Child of Edward Rudkin & Elizabeth Abode: Beresford Road Occupation: Shipwright Baptised by: J. Hassall Perpetual Curate Register: Baptisms 1859 - 1871, Page 94, Entry 750 Source: LDS Film 1546115
Baptisms: 22 Jan 1865 St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Lancashire, England Edward Rudkin - Child of Edward Rudkin & Elisabeth Abode: 21 Beresford Road Occupation: Shipwright Baptised by: L. M. Carter B A Curate Register: Baptisms 1859 - 1871, Page 152, Entry 1212 Source: LDS Film 1546115
Baptisms: 20 Nov 1870 St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Lancashire, England Alexander Rudkin - Child of Edward Rudkin & Elizabeth Abode: 19 Beresford Road Occupation: Shipwright Baptised by: A. C. Glendill Curate Register: Baptisms 1859 - 1871, Page 354, Entry 2830 Source: LDS Film 1546115
plus others on lan-opc.org.uk
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Brian
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26 Sep 2011 09:18 |
Hi all. Thanks for all the look ups Working UP the tree I start with an unusual name of Edward Hope Rudkin 1913 m to Alice Breedon 1909. Edwards father is Alexander Rudkin 1868 m to Margaret Magill 1877. I then have Edward Rudkin 1838 m to Elizabeth Shannon 1844. Edwards father was Richard Rudkin 1815 m to Eliza Cormack 1815. My problem is that I have two sets of family by Edward and Elizabeth Shannon and I cannot for the life of me work out who belongs to whom. I will look at all your lookuups and try to figure it out but if you can offer any more help it will be appreciated. Brian
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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26 Sep 2011 12:47 |
The info above all seems to relate to the Edward who was a shipwright.
Confusion in 1881 is that Elizabeth Rudkin (age 90) is mother to Richard Rudkin (age 66).
Alexander's birth cert would confirm his parents' names - but you may need to come forward a generation or two and start with a few certs for the more recent ones. If there are two families with similar names you will need the certs to help unpick which lot is yours.
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26 Sep 2011 12:55 |
Only marriage of Alexander Rudkin to Margaret Magill I can find is in Jun Qtr 1918 Toxteth Park 8b 307. Apart from Edward Hope in 1913 there is a Richard born 1916 to Rudkin/Magill. Alexander Rudkin appears to be single in 1891, visiting in Co Durham and is a Heating Engineer. Can't find him (obviously) in England 1901/1911. 1871 - Thornton place, Toxteth Park RUDKIN All born Liverpool Edward 32 1839 Shipwright Elizabeth 27 1844 Dressmaker William F 8 1863 Edward 6 1865 Alexander 2 1869 Richard 0 1871 (? says 10 months on original
Next 2 census seem to follow same family but as my screen keeps freezing I will try later if you want
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lancashireAnn
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26 Sep 2011 13:56 |
Brian - do you want to give us some more details about the 2 families you have for Edward & Elizabeth and we can see if you can help unravel them.
I assume you have Edward Hope Rudkin's birth or marriage cert for his parents who I agree with Stuart only appear to have married in 1918.
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Brian
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27 Sep 2011 17:41 |
Working down from Edward 1839 m to Elizabeth Shannon 1844. In the first block of descendants Arthur 1881 m to Catherine 1884. Son Arthur 1881 m to Catherine 1884. Son William 1870 m to Elizabeth1877. Son Alexander1869 m to Margaret Magill 1877 Daughter Margaret 1867 m to ? Vicars 1866.
Alexander had Edward Hope 1913 Richard 1916 Arthur 1881 had AdaMay 1911 Elizabeth 1905 Edward 1910 m to Margaret Cooke 1910. Then more children. William 1870 had Richard1897 William 1900 Edward 1902 Albert 1904 Thomas 1907 Arthur 1911. Margaret (Vicar) had Albert 1895 Thomas 1887 Lily 1889 Margaret 1893.
In the second block of descendants are Elzabeth 1861 William 1863 Edward 1865 Richard 1879 m to Francis Barker1874 William 1873 m to Elzabeth 1877 Frederick 1874 Joseph 1877 Arthur 1879 Arthur 1881 Elizabeth 1882 Ada 1886 m to Henry Morris. Who belongs to whom? Brian
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27 Sep 2011 17:46 |
" I then have Edward Rudkin 1838 m to Elizabeth Shannon 1844 "
conflicts with info in opening post ...........
" Elizabeth Shannon c1864 who married Edward Rudkin c1860 "
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lancashireAnn
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27 Sep 2011 22:59 |
margaret's marriage
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1886 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference RUDKIN Margaret VICARS Thomas Toxteth Park, St. Matthew Liverpool 2117TP/2/75
it is easier to work backwards Brian so please could you tell us which is the ancestor you started from. Do you have any certificates?
Sorry - I am a little puzzled. When you say 1st block and 2nd block of descendants - whose descents do you think they are?
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Brian
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28 Sep 2011 08:42 |
Hi all Once again thanks for your help in trying to resolve this puzzle. I think that I will just do a massive delete of the Unknown Rudkins, keep the known Rudkins and start again from there. I really do not know who belongs where as I am doing this part of my tree on behalf of my niece. Again thanks for your help. I hope that I have not wasted your time but I needed to at least try to sort it out. Brian
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