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we don't know!

............ apart from the name Carash, which you must admit is unusual enough to think that people with that name must be related at some point .............. although this may be way way back.


he's just part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.



You also have to understand that we helpers often work in tandem, as we have been doing on here ...... especially with a tough problem.

One of the helpers might find a mention of something on some site that intrigues them and makes them think there might be a connection ......... and they then post that on the thread in the hope that one or more of the other helpers may be able to see or find the connection, or shoot down the theory.

That's what has happened on this thread. For example, on the first page, I found that reference to Micklewright Carash on a baptismal certificate. On this page, Rootgatherer wondered about Cedric Pusey-Keith. And, of course Thomas Joseph Carash and Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash.


It may be, and probably is, confusing to you ........... but such interactions often lead to solving problems.

All I can say at the moment, is .............. please don't take everything that we post as cut and dried, as we try to solve a seemingly unsolveable problem, amid a host of seemingly small hints of appearances by the people of interest ...... but who appear and disappear with great abandon!


I'm certain that you will eventually see a post headed "EUREKA" or "BINGO" ..... as the case is cracked wide open :-D



sylvia

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Please could someone explain who this thomas joesph carsh is and how he is realted

Many Thanks

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but it seems that the Cedric Pusey-Keith that rootgatherer found and wondered if it might be another name for Cedric Thomas Joseph has been proved wrong by Maureen.


so Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash is still on the boards.



sylvia

The thread above just to check are we taking cedric out of the equation for the moment ?I will come back as soon as I get those certificates really want to see what they say so I can look tgrough the thread and pick out bits that are correct and go from there wish I ordered them piority nw they will be despatched Thursday fingers crossed they are here by the weekend xxx

I think he must be this one:

1901 census transcription details for: Fridenheim, Mulgrove Road, Croydon
RG number: RG13 Piece: 639 Folio: 57 Page: 52

Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: Croydon
KEITH, Alfred Pusey Head Married M 41 1860 Artist Music
Carshalton
Surrey
KEITH, Katie S Wife Married F 46 1855
Croydon
Surrey
KEITH, Alfred M Son Single M 14 1887
Croydon
Surrey
KEITH, Caroline Daughter Single F 13 1888
Croydon
Surrey
KEITH, Cedric Son Single M 7 1894
Croydon
Surrey
MAITLAND, Sophia Aunt Single F 86 1815 Living On Own Means
Walworth
Surrey
PIPER, Charlotte Servant Single F 46 1855 Cook Domestic
Croydon
Surrey
JACKSON, Rose Servant Single F 20 1881 House Maid Domestic
Croydon
Surrey


He seems to go off to Africa with much toing and froing.

I'm pretty sure we can leave him in peace!

Maureen

Yes, I think you are right Lucy - a break is called for or I won't be able to sleep for thinking of this one tonight! I do hope you will let us know when the certificates arrive as I am sure that we are all curious now.

just as a parting (for now) shot there is a birth that I am wondering if it might be Cedric but the surname is Pusey-Keith........... and I can't see him in 1901 but can in 1911. Anyone have any thoughts on that man?

The mystery continues with this one..cant wait to crack it and get to the bottom of it just want the certificates to come as quick as now

Thanks for the continued checking though thats what i am still trying to do but think a break is in order

xx

One possibility might be, if the father(s) really were Civil Engineers, that they might be living overseas while father works on a job.



but then, they SHOULD show up on the lists of passengers returning to the UK at some point before they get married.




sylvia

Yes, that's what I tried Sylvia with absolutely no success apart from finding Cedric as a Sheffield in 1901. But where is Ruby (b. 1895) or Emma in 1901. They just don't want to be found!!!

The strange thing is that I can't even find them using forenames only!

Usually, that does turn up name shifters!


but these don't show up on any records ..... whether censuses, births, marriages, etc etc


I did find Cedric's death, in 1931, and then his wife's death .......... still as Carash.

But that's it!



sylvia

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting ordering any of those certificates until the ones on order have arrived.

I think that when the birth certificate for Ruby (the spouse / partner of Mr. Gordon and mother of the Gordon children) arrives we will find that she is Ruby Georgina Constance Carash or Sheffield.


Personally and it is only my opinion, I think that Henry, the Civil Engineer, used the name Carash as an alias.

I too, have been unable to find any likely match for him on any census records having looked for a Henry with that occupation in either Wandsworth or Croyden in 1891 or 1901.

I don't see Cedric in the 1911 census either!

Ok i wont order any more till the first lot come hopfully by the end of the week i will have Rubys birth and Rubys marriage to john forder so that will be a good starting point

My family is very wierd they have made it difficult for us to find them

xx

Yer i think thats i good idea i think i have got it then i get lost again.. i cant put this cedric person anyone or link him to one of the women thats what has thrown me now..
xx

Lucy

Do NOT get any more certificates until the ones you have ordered arrive.


Wait and see what new information you get from those.



Rootgatherer ....................

I've searched all the sites known to me at least 3 times for those Carash's, and I've used every trick that I know

............... and everything comes up with a great big zero!


It really is as if they dropped down out of the sky for that one event, and then retreated again!



sylvia

Who shall i get the certifiacte for maybe that might help?

Wait for that cert Lucy and then come back to us !!!

Dea Xxx

OK. I haven't found a birth yet for Cedric as Carash, Micklewright or Sheffield! It looks like his father (from the info on marriage) is the same as the info on the baptism of Claude?

Now the other 2 children whose deaths were registered as Carass had births registered as Micklewright.

It really is very confusing! Perhaps a birth and death certificate for one of those children would help to clarify?

Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash would have been old enough to serve in WW1

unfortunately, only about 30% of the records have survived to this day, and many of those thta have survived are badly damaged.


I cannot see a Cedric Carash on the records on ancestry.

Nor can I find a Cedric T J (without surname) who could fit with the known facts.




sylvia

Ah ok, i know this will saound stupid i have printed off the whole thread going through it bit by bit, just want to check who is Cedric and who is he realted to just so i am up to speed?

Many Thanks

I just checked that marriage for Cedric again

Cedric says he was 27, therefore estimated birth year 1892 (if he told the truth)

Agnes said she was 23, therefore estimated birth year 1896

Both Cedric and Agnes gave their address as 12 Farris Road, Southwark

This is not to say that they necessarily lived together, only that one of them might not have lived in the Parish.

When this happened, it was more expensive to get married, as the Banns had to be called in both parishes

................... so people quite often gave the same address to avoid the extra cost.



sylvia