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no they would not have looked at her birth certificate . people e do make mistakes.

my mother doesnot think her mother would lie. She feesl convinced she was 43.

The Teacher said it doesnt mean the records are always correct.

NORTH -

You already know that she was recorded with the wrong name so why can't you accept she may have been given the wrong age ?

No-one will have checked her birth certificate to see how old she was.

we do seem to go the same thing.

im getting a bit confused about the registeration, index and other info.

thank you all for trying too solve my propblem. I'm sorry If I might come as rude,or not grateful.

We seem to be going over the same things here

It has be explained to you that the info on the death cert is only as good as what the informant knew

I need moore info on how to tracing.

on her death index it shows she was 47

is index info always correct

She gave her Maiden name as Sweetman

It could have been the name she was born with.....or.....a stepfathers name that she grew up with

Not another man she may have lived with name

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Name: Harold Osbaldeston
Spouse Surname: Elizabeth M Webb
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 2098


Name: Harold Osbaldeston
Birth Date: 6 Nov 1920
Date of Registration: Nov 2005
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Tameside
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Register number: C62A
District and Subdistrict: 014/1C
Entry number: 260


Name: Harold Osbaldeston
Spouse Surname: Bertha Gee
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Ashton
Inferred County: Lancashire, Cheshire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1314

Name: Harold Osbaldeston
Birth Date: 6 Nov 1899
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1971
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Ashton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 333

North.

If you look up your mothers and uncles birth registration,

they are under both surnames,

the fathers surname and shows a maiden name......and also registered in the single maiden name of the mother,

the age on a death certificate could have been a mistake frrom one register to another offical one and is not so important to anyone else as you know it is wrong.by a couple of years.

When you go on this course they will explain how registration works,

people were private then. they kept their secrets well. even close family dont know thir e secrets. they were afraid of any stigma then.

my 2cd option is see if there is an sweetman is in somebody tree.

I have searched the ellens who married a sweetman.

I have searched everything about ellen sweetmans.

maybe its time to accept I might never find her date of birth.

she might have lived with somebody but didn't get married.

just as a matter of interest, when did Harold Osbaldeston die?

was your mother baptized?

If so, does she know who her godparents are/were?


They MIGHT know some of the story.




We are not asking you who recorded the certificate ...... we are asking you to look on the certificate to see who the INFORMANT was.

That is the person who gave the information to the Registrar ............. it is usually a relation (spouse, child, parent, etc), but may also be a neighbour, the matron of a nursing home, or a staff member of a nursing home or hospital.

A relative would possibly have known that she was not officially Osbaldeston ................... anyone else would not have known.



sylvia

North


There will NOT be any other "accurate" information with any other records.


Your grandmother lived with Harold as Mrs Osbaldeston.

Everyone, all the neighbours, church people, doctors, etc etc, knew her as Mrs Osbaldeston


She wouldn't have gone around telling anyone that "I'm not really Mrs Osbaldeston"!! A woman of that age at that period of time would have kept her real marital status to herself!


A common-law marriage was, and is, very common ............. but people did not go around advertising it!


Believe me, I grew up in Oldham in the '50s, and I know how prim and proper they were outside the front door.


No-one would have known they were not married, except just possibly the very closest family, and they would have kept the secret.


She would have gone into hospital as Mrs Osbaldeston, her records would have been under that name ............

........... and unfortunately, as she died in hospital, the informant is probably going to be a hospital administrator or social worker.





sylvia

all of you are aking who recorded the death certoficate. how would that help me who wrote the info.

If she was born Ellen Sweetman she would be one of these

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
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Sweetman Ellen Solihull 6d 623


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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SWEETMAN Ellen Smith Manchester 8d 504

but I am doubtful about either one of them now

If she had been living with Harold Osbaldeston for a number of years, then everyone would have known her as Osbaldeston ........... so no surprise that she was buried under that name.

It, after all, was her legal name by usage!

Your mother and uncle would have been too young to be the informant(s) for the certificate.

So .......... get that certificate and see who the informant was.



sylvia

The hospital made a mistake. my grandmother didnt give much info, she must have been very ill.

Im sure there are an accurate info withs record records

well, what is on a death certificate is only what is known to the informant!


The only information you can be certain is accurate on a death certificate are the following .................


date and place of death
cause of death
name of doctor or coroner
name and address of informant



EVERYTHING else is hearsay ........... what the deceased person has told the informant



and as I posted above, even adult children and adult grandchildren do not know accurate details about their parents/grandparents.



sylvia

You already said she died as Ellen Osbaldeston...which she did as the record shows.

You also said you have the death cert...Who registered the death?

She died in Oldham 1956,Sylvia,))
Ellen Osbaldenston.

10f--34,

North is confused by her age as it gives 47....she was infact to be 42/43,and North is thinking that maybe Sweetman could have been a previous married name,,,,,,,,but the childrens births during the 1940s prove otherwise,
someone has given the wrong age at death.. :-D


North,,,,,,,,,,,,Ellen death wasnt registered as Ellen Sweetman...but in Harolds surname.........but she was his commonlaw wife,,

She died in 1956, oldham as ellen sweetman ,

they thought she was a widower to harold osbaldeston.

There isnt a death record of ellen sweetman

my mother knows nothing about her parents.