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Please can anyone help me find the parents of my friends Grandmother
Sarah Louise McCarlie ( nee MILNER) b 1883 Lincolnshire d1969 married in1909 at Bingham Nottingham to Alexander McCarlie b1876 ,not sure where but his family came from Ayrshire, Scotland.
Sarah had 3 sisters Ellen, Edith, Betty, could be Elizabeth,and 2 brothers John and George.
Any information on the family would be a great help as there is no relatives alive to ask.
Thank you
Sheila

A tree on ancestry has parents as:-

Sarah Louisa MilnerKirton Family Tree
Birth: Jun 1883 - Lincolnshire, England
Parents: John Henry Milner, Louisa Wright


This would fit ?


1891 England Census about Sarah L Milner

Name:Sarah L Milner
Age:8
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1883
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:John H Milner
Mother's Name:Louisa Milner
Gender:Female
Where born:Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish:Gainsborough
Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity
Town:Gainsborough
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Street Address: 36 Bridge St. (Sailor Boy Inn)

Occupation: (of father) Beer Seller

Registration district:Gainsborough
Sub-registration district:Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel:9
Piece:2635
Folio:27
Page Number:2
Household Members:
Name Age
John H Milner 35 born: Gainsborough, Lincolnshire
Louisa Milner 33 born: Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire
[Pinchbeck]
Elizabeth W Milner 9
Sarah L Milner 8
Elizabeth A Brame 21
Reuben S Rayner 39
Fred C Brown 29
John T Ladd 27
Frederick Turgoose 25
William Jubb 57


same family:-


1901 England Census about John Hy Milner

Name:John Hy Milner
Age:45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Louisa Milner
Gender:Male
Where born:Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish:Gainsborough
Ecclesiastical parish:Gainsborough Holy Trinity
Town:Gainsborough
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Street Address: 32 Bridge St. (next door but one to Sailor Boy Inn)

Occupation: Horse Dealer

Registration district:Gainsborough
Sub-registration district:Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel:9
Household schedule number:86
Piece:3114
Folio:11
Page Number:13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hy Milner 45
Louisa Milner 43
Margaret E Milner 16
John R Milner 14
Dora A Milner 5
George R Milner 4
Rollitt Travis 51

Possible 1891 census ?

Name: Sarah L Milner
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John H Milner
Mother's Name: Louisa Milner
Gender: Female
Where born: Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Gainsborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Gainsborough
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gainsborough
Sub-registration district: Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2635
Folio: 27
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John H Milner 35
Louisa Milner 33
Elizabeth W Milner 9
Sarah L Milner 8
Elizabeth A Brame 21
Reuben S Rayner 39
Fred C Brown 29
John T Ladd 27
Frederick Turgoose 25
William Jubb 57

Sarah L's baptism

County Lincolnshire
Place Gainsborough
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 3177
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 28 Mar 1883
Forename Sarah Louisa
Sex F
FatherForename John Henry
MotherForename Louisa
FatherSurname MILNER
MotherSurname
Abode Gainsborough
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 6072

Parents marriage:-

Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
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BARKER Jane Elizabeth Gainsbro' 7a 1052
Milner John Henry Gainsbro, 7a 1052
Ward George Gainsbro' 7a 1052
Wright Louisa Gainsboro 7a 1052


and 1911:-


1911 England Census about John H Milner

Name:John H Milner
Age in 1911:55
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish:Gainsborough
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Street Address:32 Bridge Street Gainsborough
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Horse Dealer & Fruilerer (dealer)
Registration district:Gainsborough
Registration District Number:425
Sub-registration district:Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel:09
Piece:20152
Household Members:
Name Age
John H Milner 55
Louisa Milner 53
John R Milner 24
Dora M Milner 15
George R Milner 14
William Lowe 60
Walter Stothard 34
James Glasson 25

Married for 30yrs
Children:- 12 - (7 living and 5 died)

Same family in 1901 census; Sarah L is a Servant in Nottingham

Name: John Hy Milner
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Milner
Gender: Male
Where born: Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Gainsborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Gainsborough Holy Trinity
Town: Gainsborough
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gainsborough
Sub-registration district: Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Piece: 3114
Folio: 11
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hy Milner 45
Louisa Milner 43
Margaret E Milner 16
John R Milner 14
Dora A Milner 5
George R Milner 4
Rollitt Travis 51 Lodger

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about John H Milner

Name:John H Milner
Birth Date:abt 1856
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1936
Age at Death:80
Registration district:Gainsborough
Inferred County:Lincolnshire
Volume:7a
Page:793


Deaths Sep 1926 (>99%)
Milner Louisa 69 Gainsbro' 7a 663

1911 census for Sarah L

Name: Sarah Louisa McCarlie
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Bingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: Grantham Road Bingham Notts
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Bingham
Registration District Number: 433
Sub-registration district: Bingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Piece: 20769
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander McCarlie 35 b Catrine Ayr Scotland occ Commercial Clerk
Sarah Louisa McCarlie 28
Alexander John McCarlie 1 b Bingham Notts
Christina Ellen Milner 8 sister in law

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
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Brumpton Rosanna Gainsbro' 7a 993
xxxx Hill George Frederick Gainsboro 7a 993
Keep George William Gainsbro' 7a 993
xxxx Milner Elizabeth Woodhouse Gainsbro' 7a 993



1901 England Census about Elizabeth W Hill

Name:Elizabeth W Hill
Age:20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:George F Hill
Gender:Female
Where born:Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish:Gainsborough
Ecclesiastical parish:Gainsborough St John the Divine
Town:Gainsborough
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district:Gainsborough
Sub-registration district:Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel:15
Household schedule number:197
Piece:3115
Folio:65
Page Number:31
Household Members:
Name Age
George F Hill 26
Elizabeth W Hill 20
Frank N Hill 2
Joseph A Hill 1

Maybe Alex 1881

1881 Scotland Census
about Alexander McCarlie
Name: Alexander McCarlie
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Euphemia McCarlie
Gender: Male
Where born: Sorn, Ayrshire
Registration number: 613
Registration district: Sorn
Civil parish: Sorn
County: Ayrshire
Address: Ballochmyle St.
Occupation: Mechanic Iron Turner
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 121
Line: 17
Roll: cssct1881_196
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander McCarlie 58
Euphemia McCarlie 47
Janet McCarlie 9
Mary McCarlie 7
Alexander McCarlie 5
Elizabeth McCarlie 1


Andy

I'm wondering if this could be Sarah Louise in 1901?


1901 England Census about Louisa Milner

Name:Louisa Milner
Age:19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation:Servant
Gender:Female
Where born:Gainsborough
Civil parish:Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish:St Thomas
County/Island:Nottinghamshire
Country:England
Street Address:

Occupation: Barmaid

Condition as to marriage: single

Registration district:Nottingham
Sub-registration district:Nottingham South West
ED, institution, or vessel:17
Household schedule number:4
Piece:3166
Folio:5
Page Number:1

Catherine
Please can you tell me anything about any of the Children 12(7 Living and 5 Died)
We know nothing about the children.
Everything you have told me so far has been a great help
Thank you all so much
Sheila

Sorry had to go and get the dinner ready!

Here are the parents in 1881 living with his parents:-


1881 England Census about John H. Milner

Name:John H. Milner
Age:25
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856
Relation:Son
Spouse's Name:Louisa Milner

Father's Name:James Milner
Mother's Name:Sarah Milner

Gender:Male
Where born:Gainsboro, Lincoln, England
Civil parish:Gainsborough
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Street Address:Pillared Ho Lane
Condition as to marriage:Married
Occupation:Horse Dealer
Registration district:Gainsborough
Sub-registration district:Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel:9
Piece:3296
Folio:46
Page Number:39
Household Members:
Name Age
James Milner 47 born: Misterton, Nottinghamshire (Brewers Night Watchman)
Sarah Milner 51 born: Bottesford, Lincoln
xxxx John H. Milner 25
xxxx Louisa Milner 22 Daughter in Law
Arthur G. Milner 17 - Son (Black & Whitesmiths App)
Margaret E. Milner 11 - Daughter
Alice Emily Milner 9 - Daughter
.......................................................

1871 England Census about John Henry Milner

Name:John Henry Milner
Age:15
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856
Relation:Son
Father's Name:James Milner
Mother's Name:Sarah Milner
Gender:Male
Where born:Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish:Gainsborough
Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity
Town:Gainsborough
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Registration district:Gainsborough
Sub-registration district:Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel:7
Household schedule number:101
Piece:3445
Folio:45
Page Number:18
Household Members:
Name Age
James Milner 37 - Labourer
Sarah Milner 40
John Henry Milner 15
Ann Elizabeth Milner 13
Sarah Jane Milner 9
Aurthur George Milner 7
Margret Helena Milner 1
...........................................


1861 England Census about John Henry Milner

Name:John Henry Milner
Age:5
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856
Relation:Son
Father's Name:James Milner
Mother's Name:Sarah Milner
Gender:Male
Where born:Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish:Gainsborough
Town:Gainsborough
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Street Address:
Occupation: (of father) Agricultural Labourer
Registration district:Gainsborough
Sub-registration district:Gainsborough
ED, institution, or vessel:6
Household schedule number:96
Piece:2408
Folio:101
Page Number:15
Household Members:
Name Age
James Milner 27 born:Misterton, Nottinghamshire
Sarah Milner 31 born: Bottsworth, Lincolnshire
John Henry Milner 5
Ann Elizabeth Milner 3
...........................................

possible marriage for parents:-
Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)
MILLSON Charles Gainsbro 7a 1372
xxxx MILNER James Gainsbro 7a 1372
MILSON Charles Gainsbro 7a 1372
xxxx RICHARDS Sarah Gainsbro 7a 1372
STANLAND Mary Elizabeth Gainsbro' 7a 1372

So 1880 John Henry Milner married Louisa Wright.
1881 living with his parents, no children.

1891 - 2 children on the census:-
Elizabeth Woodhouse Milner b.1881
Sarah Louise Milner b.1883

1901 - 4 children on the census:-
Margaret Edith Milner b.1885
John Rowland Milner b.1887
Dora Annie Milner b.1896
George Richards Milner b.1897

............so that's 6 children.
1911 census there are no other children living with John and Louisa, but on the 1911 census for Sarah there is a child:-

Christina Ellen Milner b.1902 who is noted as sister in law, so another sibling of Sarah, so that makes 7 children accounted for.

These all seem to be living at the time of the 1911 census so the children that died must have been born and died in infancy in between the census records.

Only 3 baptism records on familysearch.org for this family:-

Elizabeth Woodhouse Milner - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 JUN 1881 Gainsborough, Lincoln, England
Father: John Henry Milner Mother: Louisa

Margaret Edith Milner - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 APR 1885 Gainsborough, Lincoln, England
(same parents)

and this one which seems to be another child:-
Alice Ann Milner - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 AUG 1890 Gainsborough, Lincoln, England
(same parents)
Her birth:-
Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Milner Alice Ann Gainsbro' 7a 719
and her death:-
Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%)
Milner Alice Ann 0 Gainsbro' 7a 458
..........so she accounts for one of the deceased children.

Other infant deaths between 1880 and 1900 in Gainsborough:-

Deaths Dec 1882 (>99%)
MILNER Male 0 Gainsbro' 7a 444

Deaths Jun 1883 (>99%)
Milner John 0 Gainsboro 7a 473

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
Milner Nellie 0 Gainsbro' 7a 624
Milner Male 0 Gainsbro' 7a 517

Deaths Dec 1893 (>99%)
Milner Mary Ann 0 Gainsbro' 7a 508

.......so any of these could be the other missing 4 children?

Margaret Edith and John Rowland Milner were not with the family in 1891 census so had a look and found them with their Grandparents (mother Louisa's parents):-


1891 England Census about Edith M Milner

Name:Edith M Milner
Age:6
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1885
Relation:Granddaughter
Gender:Female
Where born:Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish:Pinchbeck
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary
Town:Pinchbeck
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Street Address:

Registration district:Spalding
Sub-registration district: Pinchbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 2559
Folio: 18
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Rowland Wright 59 - born: Barrowden, Rutland - (Farmer)
Sarah Wright 47 - born: Barrowden, Rutland
Edward F Wright 21
Ann Wright 49 - (age should be 19)
John Wright 13

xxxx Edith M Milner 6
xxxx John R Milner 4

.......................
possible marriage for parents of Louisa:-
Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%)
Allen Anne Spalding 7a 449
Griffin William * Spalding 7a 449
xxxx Shelton Sarah Spalding 7a 449
xxxx Wright Rowland Spalding 7a 449

Hello Catherine
Thank you for finding all that information I have just looked at,my friend will be so pleased with everyone`s help as I could not help .
With no living relative to ask we were stuck as where to start,this is all fantastic.
The biggest thank you for everything.

Sheila