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John Driscoll m Catherine Neil, Rineen Cork-help

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Driscoll

Driscoll Report 15 Apr 2012 18:49

Thank you Pam. I wondered about the Kinsale birth. It seems a long way from his place in Rineen, but then remembered seeing an early record of a John Driscoll, of the right age, on a ship. The family stayed in the dock area of London, and even my father was a sailor....so maybe they were a little more 'at sea' in terms of moving about?

Alemap

Alemap Report 15 Apr 2012 11:47

From http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

Griffiths Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 DRISCOLL
Forename 1 JOHN
Landlord
Family Name 2 BEAMISH
Forename 2 HENRY B.
Location
County CORK
Barony IBANE & BARRYROE
Union CLONAKILTY
Parish ISLAND
Townland RINEEN
Place Name RINEEN
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 5
Printing Date 1852
Act 9&10
Sheet Number 135
Map Reference 3

Gins

Gins Report 15 Apr 2012 08:49

Hi

You can go back to your first post on here and click on edit and change the title of your thread to something like:

Update more help needed: Looking for Neil/O'Neil in the Cork area of Ireland

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 15 Apr 2012 06:14

Hi
I have been advised to keep only one thread going for this family. So, I am now looking for any info at all on O'Neill, or Neil from Rineen, and Driscoll from the same place, in the Castlehaven/Myross areas.
I posted with the title Neil thinking that some people have differing areas of knowledge and might not be at all interested in the Driscoll reasearch.

I am not sure how this all works, but ready to learn. How is the best way to post for info on different families.
I now wish to find more about the Neil line as well. Advice please? :-S

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 14 Apr 2012 20:12

I was told that the sponsors of children could not be the grandparents? Is that correct? I shall hunt John and Eliza anyway.
No sign of John Driscoll's parentage? Do the Irish have any census's? Tithe records? Do they keep marriage records? I see the Castlehaven and Myross records do not seem to have anything before about the 1830's and yet other parishes go back a lot further. Is there more to come online or have their parish records been lost?

1 more question. Is there any grave records for this area available on line?
Thanks again - you have given me a lot to work with and I am thrille.

Kerry :-)

Alemap

Alemap Report 14 Apr 2012 10:41

Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - KINSALE
Baptism of THOS DRISCOLL of W CORK on 23 December 1855
Name THOS DRISCOLL
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address W CORK
Father JNO DRISCOLL
Mother KATE NEIL
Further details in the record
Child Denomination RC
Sponsor 1 JNO DRISCOLL
Sponsor 2 MARGT BURKE
Sponsor 3 THOS DRISCOLL
Recorded Diocesan Area CORK & ROSS
Recorded Parochial Area KINSALE
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R N/R CR-RC-BA-429597 cork & ross.kinsale.p4800.00589

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 14 Apr 2012 10:39

Thank you. Still looking for a marriage for Catherine Neil and John Driscoll in Ireland, and Thomas's birth if possible. I have got the births for Ellen, Mary,James,Cath, Ellen and Johanna in Castlehaven and Myross. Excellent!
:-D

Alemap

Alemap Report 14 Apr 2012 10:12

Possible parents are John Driscoll and Catherine Neil

Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CASTLEHAVEN & MYROSS

Baptism of ELLEN DRISCOLL of RINEEN on 4 January 1864
Father JOHN DRISCOLL
Mother CATH NEIL
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 JOHN NEIL
Sponsor 2 ELIZA NEIL
Recorded Parochial Area CASTLEHAVEN & MYROSS
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R N/R CR-RC-BA-17339 cork & ross.castlehaven & myross.p4774.00103

Check out the parish registers at

irishgenealogy.ie

Alemap

Alemap Report 14 Apr 2012 10:05

Driscoll, do not start another link for the same family.

Possible for Thomas

DUDLEY, Joseph Head Widower M 52 1829 Shopkeeper (Gen) Weybridge Surrey
DRISCOL, Thomas Son In Law Married M 25 1856 Labourer Weybridge Surrey
DRISCOL, Susan Daughter Single F 20 1861 Weybridge Surrey

Piece:575 Folio: 17 Page:28 Registration District:St Olave Southwark
Civil Parish:Rotherhithe Municipal Borough:
Address:192, Rotherhithe Street, Rotherhithe County:London, Surrey


Civil registration event: Marriage
Name: DRISCOLL, Thomas & DUDLEY, Susannah
Registration district: St. Olave Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1880
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no:1D Page no: 375

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 14 Apr 2012 01:37

Confirmed that John is father, Catherine is mother. Confirmed the 1871 census is correct for family. Would seem that there is both a Johanna and Anne Driscoll in the family. I guess my G Grandmother is the 1867 Anne. Have been contacted by Catherine (Kate)'s ancestor who says she married Mark Henley in March 1885, St Olaves, Rotherhithe and father on cert is John, and a Johanna (Sibling) signed as witness.

Thank you all. This is a major break through.
I have been able to locate a family with the above 1871 births in Castlehaven and Myross, with the homeland or farm listed as Rinneen. Only Thomas is missing, and the parents wedding. I shall start another link to see what can be found of them. :-D

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Apr 2012 18:44

Yeah, I suspect they were too young. I have that record too. I couldn't find that 1871 census result further up. I am a novice....not sure if you can search through the Hanover St address? It is not coming up on my ancestry searches. Can anyone give me a link I can get to via ancestry records?

Back to wedding. Surely they must have been married in Ireland as Thomas, Mary, James.....and Ann...well, not sure now.....are all born there.
Can anyone see them in Ireland? I do want to track their home place, other than just Cork.
AND...if they had all these children born in Ireland, that would rule out the George In the East, and Shadwell, wouldn't it?

Kerry

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 12 Apr 2012 16:16

This could be the McCarthy marriage you refer to. Father of John is Daniel a Farmer. Father of Catherine is James a Cook General. Witnesses John and May or Mary Driscoll. They are said to be full age so not sure that would fit with Hannah (Anna)'s dob of 1867.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Driscoll Name: John Driscoll
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Spouse Name: Catherine Mcarthy
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Nov 1849
Parish: Rotherhithe All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Daniel Driscoll
Spouse Father Name: James McArthy
Register Type: Parish Register

Vera


Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 12 Apr 2012 15:42

This is where Kerry started her request for info.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/driscoll/thread/1004912

Vera

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 12 Apr 2012 13:36

Hi Driscoll,

May I just question a statement that you made?

"I did hear from my grandfathers cousin who said that her death cert recorded John as her father."

English death certificates do not give the deceased's fathers details as they do in Australia for example. Where and when does the cousin you refer to believe that Ann. Annie, Hannah ect died? Have they still got the certificate?

Regarding your question about the 1901 census. Unfortunately I believe that the comment made by Gins about her not being in the Hollingsworth household is incorrect. She was recorded as being a visitor at 35 Trident St, Rotherhithe. The double strike passing through the line that has her name written on it merely indicates that she was the last person who was recorded as living at that particular address. Similar notations indicate the same individuals/situations at every other house in the street. In 1911 she is still in the Hollingsworth household but they are now living at 37 Maynard Road, Rotherhithe. On both census returns her occupation is given as Housekeeper which was a well known euphemism often used where a man and woman were living as a couple but were not married to one another.

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Apr 2012 11:10

Question....in the 1901 census where there were 2 strikes next to her name....where else was she recorded as living? Is it possible to track that? If she was still with family members then it might identify her father? Maybe? Can census's record her twice?

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Apr 2012 10:56

Oh, just playing catch up on what people have offered. I think that Hannah, Johanna, Anne and Anna and even Jane, are used interchangeably by the Irish. It is possible she was Ann. I haven't seen the 1871 census with John and Catherine, with Thomas and Mary. I shall see what I can find with them. :-

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Apr 2012 10:51

Extra hard not knowing the area......google maps has been useful.
I am coming to London in June, but unfortunately only have a Friday and Archives is shut.
I am attending the O'Driscoll clan reunion in Baltimore, Cork and hoped to track where the family is from before I got there. I would just love to visit the place and maybe see a house, or graves....or church ....anything. I wonder about records for the dock labourers, or Parish records around Rotherhithe?

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Apr 2012 10:48

Well....apparently she was just known as Annie, and the family don't seem to know too much. Her son Edward was my grandfather, and he only had two sons. My dad died when I was young and my uncle is unwell. I am also in Christchurch New Zealand, so missed out on any of the family talk. I have not met anyone other than immediate cousins. I did hear from my grandfathers cousin who said that her death cert recorded John as her father. But I have also been tracking the William and Catherine family as that is what my cousins thought Annie's father was named. I have sent away for a couple of certificates in the hope that it might lead me further.
I have also been tracking the John who's parents were Daniel and Ann and lived in St George in the East, and Shadwell area's. But it is hard to confirm John or William. I am stuck.

Alemap

Alemap Report 12 Apr 2012 09:08

Everyone has found John married to Catherine with daughter Ann.

How do Hannah and William fit in?

Is Hannah, Ann's sister? If so, could it be Johanna or the Hannah Jonesey found?

Not seeing how William D fits in.

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 12 Apr 2012 08:45

The only Rotherhithe birth that would appear to fit is this one but the fathers name is William:

Births Jun 1866
DRISCOLL Hannah K St. Saviour 1d 23

Name: Hannah Kate Driscoll
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1866
Baptism Date: 20 May 1866
Father's Name: William Driscoll
Mother's Name: Martha Driscoll
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Rotherhithe registration district ceased to exist in 1870 and was incorporated into St Olave, Southwark.

At death Hannah or Ann or Annie appears to have been known as Anna:

Name: Anna Driscoll
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1937
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Bermondsey
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 70