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so looking at all the fantastic info you have given me everyone especially marie my mums brother is william daniel jude married a georgina middleton both now deceased

did they have any children?

also marie the newspaper article you found i dont suppose there were any images of them was there?


lol at writing a book :-D

so did daniel william jude and ellen hooper/jude have one son william daniel jude?

therefore the dad daniel w jude left married my nan and that left ellen and william living together mother and son

which would mean the son they had is my mums half brother dont it? lol

This looks like first wife Ellen:

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
Name: Ellen Jude
Electoral Year: 1939
Parliamentary Division: Hackney North
County or Borough: Hackney

She's living with William Daniel Jude (that must be the son) at 29 Theydon Road, Southwold ward.

There are regular later entries for Ellen alone.

Lisa - you should get a book written about this family, better storylines than most dramas on tv!

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Georgina Middleton
Name: Georgina Middleton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cox
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1086


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Georgina Jude
Name: Georgina Jude
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1920
Date of Registration: Feb 2005
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: B68B
District and Subdistrict: 466/1B
Entry number: 185

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about William D Jude
Name: William D Jude
Spouse Name: Georgina Middleton
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1945
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 638




England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about William Daniel Jude
Name: William Daniel Jude
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1918
Date of Registration: Nov 1993
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Havering
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: HC69
District and Subdistrict: 2341C
Entry number: 67

thanks pricklyholly :-)

:-S lol

this will confuse you even more lol

daniel william jude was living with rose who was my nans mum

he then left her and married my nan eva rose jarvis in 1938

yea

my nan is jarvis and it seems he was already married to hooper

i would like to know how many children jude/hooper had i know they had one but as for names no clue

Lisa, have you any idea what the R was for Eva's middle name? Just that there's a few London Electoral Rolls with Daniel William Jude living with a Rose but it's before he married Eva in 1938. Could that be her middle name and they lived together before they were married, or perhaps he had another ladyfriend in between?

Wow!!

I am pleased you found your way back to this thread Lisa! ;-)

Lisa if you go to FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk you can search for births using the surname and the mother's maiden name (mmn).

There are two in the Edmonton district for Jude, mmn Jarvis. Won't post them on here as the people may still be living - guess one of them is your mum.

This is the only Jude/Hooper birth I can find, seems the right area:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: William D Jude
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hooper
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 461

I've posted on the first page the actual marriage years for Daniel and his two wives.

thinking about it that means that mary green married my mums grandad bigomasly had the children of mead living with them and the son (daniel my mums dad)
then daniel (the son) did the same thing with my nan all those years later
omg! lol

hi all

thankyou so much for all the info i can confirm that my mums mum married daniel w jude her name is eva jarvis hey married in 1934 ish
after he died in 1944 a man knocked at my nans door and asked who she was as daniel was his father.

it seems he was married to i think the ellen hooper what im trying to find is what children they had as in theory they would be my mums half siblings,

he was born in hackney and his dad william jude was born in cambs
sorry for confusion

i found that the neices named mead were living with daniel when he was a child and couldnt work out who or where they came from but i think you have answered that one with the article.

thanks so much thats brilliant!

This looks a possibility for Mary's first marriage:

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
Name: Mary Perry
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1852
Age: 18
Father's Name: William Perry
Spouse's Name: George Green
Spouse's Age: 27
Spouse's Father's Name: William Green
Marriage Date: 9 Jul 1870
Marriage Place: Meldreth, Cambridgeshire, England

Wow, MC, that's a good find!...

There is another Member in Search Trees (top of page) with a Daniel William Jude 1892.

Chris :)

There was quite a scandal in 1895 and many papers reported it. Here is one such article:

THE HAMPSHIRE TELEGRAPH - Saturday 10 August 1895

SHAM WIDOWS BIGAMY - EXTRAORDINARY STORY
Mary Green, 42, charwoman, of Roseneath Terrace, Clapton, on Tuesday surrendered to her bail at North London Police court to answer a charge of bigamy. It was alleged that she went through a form of marriage with Daniel Jude at the Red Church, Bethnal Green, in June 1891, her husband George Green, being then and now alive.
Daniel Jude declared that he never knew of the existence of George Green until last Monday week. When he first met the prisoner she was walking through Stratford in "widows weeds" and he thought she was a widow.
The prisoner admitted wearing the clothing of a widow, and made an extraordinary statement in explanation.
She said that 24 years ago she was married to George Green, and three years after that she left him, and for 21 years he had not contributed one penny to the support of herself or her blind child. For 17 years after that she lived as the wife of a James Mead, and bore him five children. Mead died, and it was for him she wore widows clothes. In 1891 she accidentally met Mr Jude and a woman with whom he had lived for nine years; and two weeks after that Jude came to her and asked her to take him in as a lodger. She did so, and he asked her to marry him to "choke off" the woman with whom he had been living. She told him she could not do so, but would live with him. But he insisted on getting married - Jude denied this.
The prisoner was committed for trial, and admitted to bail.
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Other reports state she was sentenced to two days imprisonment. Also, that she'd been handed into police by Daniel Jude whilst he was intoxicated.
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Note the 1901 census above - particularly Mary's occupation and the children's surname.

Lisa, you say in the opening post that he was born in Cambs. However, all the records found relate to a London birth. Could it be that his father was from Cambs?

Can you confirm if either (or both) of those marriage records I posted above are a possibility? If they're not, are you able to say who your mum's mum was (if it's not breaching privacy)?

If we're sure of the relationships then we can then check for possible children.

omg lol im so new to this.. thanks everyone for info its a bit complicated but my mums dad turned out to have another family before her and we believe he was a bigamist. he died in 1944 i have all details of his household when he was younger but no details of him as an adult and what children he had before he married my mums mum. i know he had at least one son because he turned up at my nans door after his dad died asking who my nan was.
it would be nice for my mum to somehow get a pic of what he looked like as she was 18 months old when he died and we have no pics. also whether she had any half siblings,

but thanks for all your help greatly appreciated

I have PMd Lisa to explain how to find her way back to this thread.