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Should have posted the link, will searches form available here:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/family-history

There is no way of knowing who inherited the father's money without the will. It was just probate awarded to Mary - in other words her right to sort out his estate. She may not have benefitted, he could have left his money to the local cats home!

Apply for a trace of the will, costs £6.

So have you not applied for his will?

His 1908 probate left sister Mary in charge of his money as "one of the next of kin"
hopefully she shared some of the £313 ,15s 10d with her sister but she wasn't legally obliged too .
Charlotte would have needed an address in order to receive the weekly 4shillings maintenance payment from the father of her baby .He was still in Birkenhead in 1901 unless there was a way his payments could be transferred to the Hollis family that she boarded the baby out to .

Well, the 1911 could be either of the Charlotte's - the dressmaker born Liverpool and with her parents in 1901 - or your Charlotte.

I can't find your Charlotte in 1901 either.

Wonder, the property Lottie was at in 1911 was rather large - wonder if either of the Charlotte's inherited money to be able to afford this? Have you ever applied to see if your Charlotte's father left a will - there might be some clues there?

I KNOW that our Charlotte Roberts did not have a middle name or a brother .
Maisie's birth certificate lists 29 Edgar st ;that is where Charlotte's father John and sister Mary lived until John's death in 1908 . I have C's birth and baptism documents which link with the 1891 census Greenfield ST (Charlotte's birth address)is where the family were living,

Even if the High st independent Charlotte Roberts of 1911 is ours ..I wonder where she was in 1901 ( she may have lied about her name age or precise origin) .I can't find a later marriage for her .
Thanks for looking Flip .

It's a possibility, there was a Charlotte (Ellinor) Roberts born in Liverpool Dec.1881, but she is with her brother 1901/11. Can't see any Lottie's born Liverpool, but your Charlotte was born Birkenhead.

Think the occupation could be a clue if she was a drapers assistant on the birth cert. The address 3 High st appears to be a shop, next image is for a grocer, also and employer working from home. However, there is another Charlotte born 1879 Liverpool, with parents 1901 a single dressmaker - & I can't see her in 1911.

There is a Charlotte Roberts living alone as a costumier in High st .Conway on 1911 census ;she's aged 30 so still young enough to have a respectable marriage and child no way of knowing if she's OUR Charlotte.

I did ask this question on geneology chat before posting on living ancestors
I don't feel I'm asking about the same person

new thread posted...have advised deletion

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1328497


Flip refers above to 'other thread'.......how many are there about this subject?

hopefully this summer I'll get to go to Birkenhead and look at all these places ,I haven't found Alexander Irvine anywhere else despite him being a journalist

Well, it looks like he stayed local:

Alexander Irvine
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1909
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1976
Age at Death: 67
Registration District: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 0727

Which matches with this birth:

Alexander Irvine
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Registration District: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 513

Thank you Flip well if he was a journalist I should be able to find hime somewhere I'll try the local newspapers 1st .

Another probate for you:

Mary Irvine
Probate Date: 29 May 1953
Death Date: 11 Feb 1953
Death Place: Birkenhead
Registry: Liverpool, England

Mary, a widow of 35 Mossley Road, died at 8 Kings Lane, Bebington. Admin granted to Alexander Irvine, journalist - £1739 10d

Hi Alisoun

The births are on freebmd, easy to search post 1911 as mother's maiden name can be used as well.

I got the deaths and probate records from Ancestry - but am unclear whether Mary (widow) on John's probate was his mother or his wife. You need to check for marriages/deaths for the children to find out more - I didn't search any further than what I posted and don't have access much through the week.

Goodness Flip where did you find this information ; I got nowhere with the Irvines just kept getting scottish indications ; it's lovely that mary stayed at the same address as the 1911 one in Birkenhead and had more children and that she named her daughter after her mother and 1 son after her father.She must have lived to a ripe old age too as she'd have been in her 70's when her son died .
so back on track for searching nana maisies cousins + their descendents . Thanks

Looks like Mary stayed local - probate for son John (again death reg gives right age):

John Irvine
Probate Date: 17 Apr 1951
Death Date: 7 Dec 1950
Death Place: Birkenhead
Registry: London, England

Of 35 Mossley Rd, Tranmere. Admin granted to Mary Irvine, widow.

I think this is Isaac (age is right on death reg):

Isaac Irvine
Probate Date: 20 Feb 1939
Death Date: 27 Dec 1938
Death Place: Birkenhead, Merseyside, England
Registry: Liverpool, England

Administration granted to his widow Mary £303 8/3
Address 35 Mossley Road, Tranmere, Birkenhead.

Hi Alisoun, - great news on George, covered in your other thread - shame that Latvian bmd site needs an interpreter!

This thread has got so complicated it's difficult to follow, so apologies if I am suggesting something already posted or followed up on.

One thing that stands out, if your grandmother found Charlotte and wrote to her Charlotte must have maintained some contact with either her sister Mary Irvine or the Hollis family after her marriage. Otherwise how could she have found her? We now know her father did not leave a will, therefore his estate would be equally split between his 2 children, although Mary was the executor - not unusual as she was the oldest.

There were no internet searches available to her, and even now there are we can't find Charlotte's marriage with any degree of certainty - all we know is she did marry and have at least one son with a "respectable" job.

Have you tried to follow Mary Roberts/Irvine and her family, see if any of her descendants could hold some information? I see she is on the 1911 census with her husband & son Alexander, but I think there are three more births - twins Eric & John in 1913 and daughter Caroline in 1916 all in Birkenhead.

Think "belongs to jersey" was a mis-typing of "belongs to Jewry"

BIG NEWS ;we now have registration as an alien cert from glamorgan for George Jacob Fellman; dated 1917.