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Finding Read Family

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Christopher

Christopher Report 5 Jul 2012 13:46

I am wishing the Genes community might be able to help? the family i am seeking are the Read family,
Philip Read 1849, b St.Pancras, Old St.Pancras, in the borough of Camden, Phillip had 3 sister, Alice b 1851, Jane b 1853, and Clara b 1856 all born within the same parish, there parents as per the records are Phillip Read and Jane this imformation i found on the London Baptism records, i have searched for a marriage of Phillip Read and a Jane between 1840 and 1860 as i know sometime the parents got married after the children where born? the only marriage i could find was in 1838 but this was to a Mary Ann Adams but it seems very strange they would eait 11 years to have children?
If anyone has any information on this family please kindly get in touch.
Warm regards
Chris Wiltshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 5 Jul 2012 13:51

there is this one ??????????
Name: READ, Philip

Registration district: [?] Poplar

County: London

Year of registration: 1844

Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 2

Page no: [?] 283
MarriageFinder™: [?] Philip Read married one of the following people Transcript
BRIGGS, Sarah VIEW
BULLEN, Sarah VIEW
TANDY, Sarah VIEW
WESWOOD, Jane

Gins

Gins Report 5 Jul 2012 13:52

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Philip Read
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Adams
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Aug 1838
Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Daniel Read
Spouse Father Name: Geo Adams
Register Type: Parish Register

I think its the same occupation as the son Philips baptisim. The mother may have been known as Jane?

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Jul 2012 13:57

What do census returns say about the birth years and birthplaces of the parents?

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Jul 2012 13:59

Baptisms

Philip Read 4 Aug 1849 Philip Read,
Jane Read St Pancras Old St Pancras Camden
View Record
Alice Read 2 Aug 1851 Philip Read,
Jane Read St Pancras Old St Pancras Camden
View Record
Jane Read 8 Oct 1853 Philip Read,
Jane Read St Pancras Camden
View Record
Clara Read 16 Aug 1856 Phillip Read,
Jane Read St Pancras Camden

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Jul 2012 14:03


Name: Jane Westwood
Spouse Name: Thomas Briggs
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Apr 1844
Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Westwood
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Oakley Briggs
Register Type: Parish Register


Name: Sarah Tandy
Spouse Name: Philip Read
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Apr 1844
Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Edward Tandy
Spouse Father Name: Philip Read
Register Type: Parish Register

Gins

Gins Report 5 Jul 2012 14:05

Spotted this tree that you might want to check out the details for


Phillip Langton Read
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Birth: 1851 - London, England
Marriage: 05 Feb 1871 (5 Feb 1871) - Westminster, Middlesex (London), England
Death: 29 Aug 1918 - Middlesex (London)
Parents: Philip Read, Mary (Jane) Anne Adams
Spouse: Margaret Gregory

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Jul 2012 14:13

The children's births were registered - any of the certs will give an answer

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 5 Jul 2012 15:05

Have you managed to find the family on the 1851 census?

I see that Philip's sister, Alice, was born 14th July 1851 in Charlton Street, St.Pancras. Parents Phillip and Jane Read - father a cabman.

On the 1851 census for Charlton Street, St.Pancras there is a Phillip Read b.1849 plus an Emily b.1846 - but the parents are John and Jane Read (John is a cabman)

Christopher

Christopher Report 6 Jul 2012 16:47

Thank you everyone for your help, in the 1851 census i believe it is the same family, as the is the same and what the father did as a job is the same, i have also found on the 1861 Census, a philip reade whos son phillip 1849 and clere 1856 , the ages of the children and where they where born match, if the 1851 Census is right then there is another child Emily b 1845/46, so need to find her birth details and as from the 1861 census phillip is a widower, so will also be looking for his wife death cert around 1856/57 again thanks everyone for your help.
Kind regards
Chris

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 6 Jul 2012 17:57

This is a very confusing family Christopher.

There are death registrations for St.Pancras:

Mary Anne Read 1846 and Mary Ann Read 1847

Unfortunately ages are not given for these years.
Now I've found the burial for the 1847 death - she was only 12 months old

Just maybe, Philip did marry Mary Ann but she died, then Jane moved in with him. Mary Ann could have died giving birth to Emily in 1846. But this is just WILD SPECULATION.

This doesn't explain why his name appears to have changed from Phillip to John.


1841 Census - St. Pancras - Wakefield Mews

Philip Read - 27 - cab proprietor
Mary Read - 27

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 6 Jul 2012 19:05

I am a little uneasy with this one,

I can see the tree that Ginny referred to but I do not trust the trees on Ancestry without checking for myself and read is a common name.

I have checked each of those baptisms.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Philip Read
Name: Philip Read
Record Type: Baptism
18 july 1849
Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1849
Father's Name: Philip Read
Mother's name: Jane Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Old St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
Brill Terrace
father is a cabman

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alice Read
Name: Alice Read
Record Type: Baptism
14 July 1851
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1851
Father's Name: Philip Read
Mother's name: Jane Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Old St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
Chalton Street
father is a cabman

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Jane Read
Name: Jane Read
Record Type: Baptism
23 September 1853
Baptism Date: 8 Oct 1853
Father's Name: Philip Read
Mother's name: Jane Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
father is a butcher
Abode Henry??? something

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Clara Read
Name: Clara Read
Record Type: Baptism
3rd August 1856
Baptism Date: 16 Aug 1856
Father's Name: Phillip Read
Mother's name: Jane Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
Father is a porter
M??? Square?

That seems to a lot of changes in occupation in a short time. I can understand variations in unskilled trades but butcher is skilled.

I have started looking for them on censuses but have not seen a match with them all together yet.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 6 Jul 2012 19:47

Stepping back a little have you come to this family throgh

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Philip Read
Name: Philip Read
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Margaret Gregory
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Feb 1871
Parish: St Marylebone St Luke
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Phillip Read (Horse/house doctor?)
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Gregory
Register Type: Parish Register
12 John Street

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 6 Jul 2012 19:49

1881 Address: 43, St Anns Rd, Mile End Old Town
READ, Phillip Head Married M 31 1850 Butcher
St Pancras, Middlesex
READ, Margaret Wife Married F 31 1850
Hampshire, Hampshire
READ, Phillip Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Westminster, Middlesex
READ, Walter Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Notting Hill, Middlesex
READ, Thomas Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Notting Hill, Middlesex
READ, Clara Daughter Single F 2 1879
M E O T, Middlesex
READ, George Son Single M 0 1881
M E O T, Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 6 Jul 2012 19:51

1891 Address: 20, Green Lanes, Tottenham
READ, Philip Head Married M 40 1851 Butcher
London
READ, Margaret Wife Married F 41 1850
Hampshire
READ, Walter Son Single M 18 1873 Assistant To Butcher
London VIEW
READ, Thomas Son Single M 16 1875 Assistant To Butcher
London
READ, George Son M 9 1882 Scholar
London
READ, Arthur Son M 7 1884 Scholar
London
READ, Philip Son M 0 (8M) 1891
London
READ, Clara Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
London
READ, Lily Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
London
READ, Emily Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
London
READ, Bertha Daughter F 4 1887
London

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 6 Jul 2012 23:26

1911 Address: 4 Hillside Parade Willesden N W
READ SEN, Philip Head Widower M 60 1851 Butcher St Pancras London
READ, Lily Daughter Single F 28 1883 Mile End Middx
READ, Emily Daughter Single F 25 1886 Paddington Middx
READ, Bertha Daughter Single F 24 1887 Paddington Middx
READ JUNR, Philip Son Single M 16 1895 Son Assisting In Shop Wood Green Middx

Christopher

Christopher Report 8 Jul 2012 21:12

Thank you everyone for your help and maybe one day i can help in return???
Regards
Chris