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Christopher
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5 Jul 2012 13:46 |
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I am wishing the Genes community might be able to help? the family i am seeking are the Read family, Philip Read 1849, b St.Pancras, Old St.Pancras, in the borough of Camden, Phillip had 3 sister, Alice b 1851, Jane b 1853, and Clara b 1856 all born within the same parish, there parents as per the records are Phillip Read and Jane this imformation i found on the London Baptism records, i have searched for a marriage of Phillip Read and a Jane between 1840 and 1860 as i know sometime the parents got married after the children where born? the only marriage i could find was in 1838 but this was to a Mary Ann Adams but it seems very strange they would eait 11 years to have children? If anyone has any information on this family please kindly get in touch. Warm regards Chris Wiltshire
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Maddie
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5 Jul 2012 13:51 |
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there is this one ?????????? Name: READ, Philip
Registration district: [?] Poplar
County: London
Year of registration: 1844
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name Not available before 1912
Volume no: [?] 2
Page no: [?] 283 MarriageFinder™: [?] Philip Read married one of the following people Transcript BRIGGS, Sarah VIEW BULLEN, Sarah VIEW TANDY, Sarah VIEW WESWOOD, Jane
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Gins
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5 Jul 2012 13:52 |
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Philip Read Age: Full Age Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Spouse Name: Mary Ann Adams Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 3 Aug 1838 Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel Borough: Camden Father Name: Daniel Read Spouse Father Name: Geo Adams Register Type: Parish Register I think its the same occupation as the son Philips baptisim. The mother may have been known as Jane?
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Reggie
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5 Jul 2012 13:57 |
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What do census returns say about the birth years and birthplaces of the parents?
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Reggie
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5 Jul 2012 13:59 |
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Baptisms
Philip Read 4 Aug 1849 Philip Read, Jane Read St Pancras Old St Pancras Camden View Record Alice Read 2 Aug 1851 Philip Read, Jane Read St Pancras Old St Pancras Camden View Record Jane Read 8 Oct 1853 Philip Read, Jane Read St Pancras Camden View Record Clara Read 16 Aug 1856 Phillip Read, Jane Read St Pancras Camden
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Reggie
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5 Jul 2012 14:03 |
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Name: Jane Westwood Spouse Name: Thomas Briggs Spouse Age: Full Age Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 8 Apr 1844 Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: William Westwood Spouse Father Name: Thomas Oakley Briggs Register Type: Parish Register
Name: Sarah Tandy Spouse Name: Philip Read Spouse Age: Full Age Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 9 Apr 1844 Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Edward Tandy Spouse Father Name: Philip Read Register Type: Parish Register
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Gins
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5 Jul 2012 14:05 |
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Spotted this tree that you might want to check out the details for
Phillip Langton Read NoyceDoel<<Tree owner Birth: 1851 - London, England Marriage: 05 Feb 1871 (5 Feb 1871) - Westminster, Middlesex (London), England Death: 29 Aug 1918 - Middlesex (London) Parents: Philip Read, Mary (Jane) Anne Adams Spouse: Margaret Gregory
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Reggie
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5 Jul 2012 14:13 |
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The children's births were registered - any of the certs will give an answer
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ChristinaS
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5 Jul 2012 15:05 |
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Have you managed to find the family on the 1851 census?
I see that Philip's sister, Alice, was born 14th July 1851 in Charlton Street, St.Pancras. Parents Phillip and Jane Read - father a cabman.
On the 1851 census for Charlton Street, St.Pancras there is a Phillip Read b.1849 plus an Emily b.1846 - but the parents are John and Jane Read (John is a cabman)
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Christopher
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6 Jul 2012 16:47 |
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Thank you everyone for your help, in the 1851 census i believe it is the same family, as the is the same and what the father did as a job is the same, i have also found on the 1861 Census, a philip reade whos son phillip 1849 and clere 1856 , the ages of the children and where they where born match, if the 1851 Census is right then there is another child Emily b 1845/46, so need to find her birth details and as from the 1861 census phillip is a widower, so will also be looking for his wife death cert around 1856/57 again thanks everyone for your help. Kind regards Chris
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ChristinaS
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6 Jul 2012 17:57 |
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This is a very confusing family Christopher.
There are death registrations for St.Pancras:
Mary Anne Read 1846 and Mary Ann Read 1847
Unfortunately ages are not given for these years. Now I've found the burial for the 1847 death - she was only 12 months old
Just maybe, Philip did marry Mary Ann but she died, then Jane moved in with him. Mary Ann could have died giving birth to Emily in 1846. But this is just WILD SPECULATION.
This doesn't explain why his name appears to have changed from Phillip to John.
1841 Census - St. Pancras - Wakefield Mews
Philip Read - 27 - cab proprietor Mary Read - 27
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LadyKira
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6 Jul 2012 19:05 |
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I am a little uneasy with this one,
I can see the tree that Ginny referred to but I do not trust the trees on Ancestry without checking for myself and read is a common name.
I have checked each of those baptisms.
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Philip Read Name: Philip Read Record Type: Baptism 18 july 1849 Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1849 Father's Name: Philip Read Mother's name: Jane Read Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Old St Pancras Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers Brill Terrace father is a cabman
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alice Read Name: Alice Read Record Type: Baptism 14 July 1851 Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1851 Father's Name: Philip Read Mother's name: Jane Read Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Old St Pancras Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers Chalton Street father is a cabman
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Jane Read Name: Jane Read Record Type: Baptism 23 September 1853 Baptism Date: 8 Oct 1853 Father's Name: Philip Read Mother's name: Jane Read Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers father is a butcher Abode Henry??? something
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Clara Read Name: Clara Read Record Type: Baptism 3rd August 1856 Baptism Date: 16 Aug 1856 Father's Name: Phillip Read Mother's name: Jane Read Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers Father is a porter M??? Square?
That seems to a lot of changes in occupation in a short time. I can understand variations in unskilled trades but butcher is skilled.
I have started looking for them on censuses but have not seen a match with them all together yet.
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LadyKira
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6 Jul 2012 19:47 |
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Stepping back a little have you come to this family throgh
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Philip Read Name: Philip Read Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Spouse Name: Margaret Gregory Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 5 Feb 1871 Parish: St Marylebone St Luke Borough: Westminster Father Name: Phillip Read (Horse/house doctor?) Spouse Father Name: Samuel Gregory Register Type: Parish Register 12 John Street
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LadyKira
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6 Jul 2012 19:49 |
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1881 Address: 43, St Anns Rd, Mile End Old Town READ, Phillip Head Married M 31 1850 Butcher St Pancras, Middlesex READ, Margaret Wife Married F 31 1850 Hampshire, Hampshire READ, Phillip Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Westminster, Middlesex READ, Walter Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Notting Hill, Middlesex READ, Thomas Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Notting Hill, Middlesex READ, Clara Daughter Single F 2 1879 M E O T, Middlesex READ, George Son Single M 0 1881 M E O T, Middlesex
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LadyKira
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6 Jul 2012 19:51 |
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1891 Address: 20, Green Lanes, Tottenham READ, Philip Head Married M 40 1851 Butcher London READ, Margaret Wife Married F 41 1850 Hampshire READ, Walter Son Single M 18 1873 Assistant To Butcher London VIEW READ, Thomas Son Single M 16 1875 Assistant To Butcher London READ, George Son M 9 1882 Scholar London READ, Arthur Son M 7 1884 Scholar London READ, Philip Son M 0 (8M) 1891 London READ, Clara Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar London READ, Lily Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar London READ, Emily Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar London READ, Bertha Daughter F 4 1887 London
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LadyKira
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6 Jul 2012 23:26 |
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1911 Address: 4 Hillside Parade Willesden N W READ SEN, Philip Head Widower M 60 1851 Butcher St Pancras London READ, Lily Daughter Single F 28 1883 Mile End Middx READ, Emily Daughter Single F 25 1886 Paddington Middx READ, Bertha Daughter Single F 24 1887 Paddington Middx READ JUNR, Philip Son Single M 16 1895 Son Assisting In Shop Wood Green Middx
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Christopher
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8 Jul 2012 21:12 |
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Thank you everyone for your help and maybe one day i can help in return??? Regards Chris
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