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Why do Parish recs. (burials) come up as 'dead ends' when the dates for death are known factors? Are they not all recorded? (I'm looking at 1930-45)

Hello Shirley, are you referring to looking through actual parish records or trying to find them on-line?

Hi Celeste - online

Shirley, they aren't all on-line.

Sometimes there are burial notices in the British Newspaper Archives. Do you want to give an example of one of the deaths you're looking for.

Hi Celeste- I'm sending this again as I'm not sure if I did it right - I'm talking about searches online'
S

Thank you - I've got : WILLIAM J. CROWE died Plymouth 1932 (DOB 1869)

Sorry, not finding one for him (the newspapers aren't all on-line either).

Do you mean this one? The death certificate will give date of death.

Deaths Mar 1932 (>99%)
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Crowe William J 62 E Stonehouse 5b 518

Yes 5b 518 is the right man indeed!

Thanks to both for responding - this man remains a mystery. I was hoping if he came up on the searches it might help as he's been so elusive. ie
born Bangalore 1869 so no Birth Cert. (prob. army family but that came to a dead end, too). He suddenly appears in Plymouth1901 and 1911 census... then dies there. No trace prior to 1901/ no info. AAAArgh!
Thanks anyway,
S

Parish records will only show burials in a churchyard. Many more people were/are buried in municipal cemeteries and these records are not generally online.

I didn't realise that - I imagine this was likely to be a municipal Cem. burial being in a city. Thanks for that info.

Try sending an email to the address within this site to ask if a record can be found
http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/cemeteriesandcrematoria

Adeline`s not quite right. Parish records will record burial services performed by the parish priest. A typical burial service has a part in the church, then the body`s taken out to the churchyard, and the service concludes at the graveside. By 1930, most urban burials take place in the municipal cemetery. The only real difference this makes to the service is that the coffin`s carried out to a hearse in the churchyard, and everyone drives (or is driven) to the cemetery. (In 1910-ish, they`ld walk behind the horse-drawn hearse).

The parish register would only contain services performed by that churches ministers anyway. If they were baptists or methodists, say, then the burial service would be in the baptistémethodist churchs register.`

In addition to the burial service record, there`ll usually be another record by the cemetery owner, often recording who`s buried where. (This latter record is what Joy was aiming for).

Many thanks for all this information - I do appreciate it,
S

Shirley - is this 1901 the right chap?

CROWE, William Head Married M 33 1868 General Labourer Bangalore E India
CROWE, Jane Wife Married F 37 1864 Barnstaple, Devonshire

Piece: 2104 Folio: 90 Page: 13
Registration District: East Stonehouse
Civil Parish: East Stonehouse

Address: 66, George Street, East Stonehouse County: Devonshire


and in 1911:

CROWE, William Head Married M 43 1868 Hired Labourer India Madrasa Resident
CROWE, Jane Wife Married 14 years F 46 1865 Devon Barnstaple

RG number: RG14 Piece: 13010 Reference: RG14PN13010 RG78PN750 RD277 SD1 ED6 SN8
Registration District: East Stonehouse
Sub District: East Stonehouse
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: East Stonehouse

Address: 12 Market Street East Stonehouse County: Devonshire

He worked in a government dockyard. They'd had no children.

Guess you're right, Marie Celeste, I was looking at the wrong one. Think I'll go and delete my previous message. Blame it on the heat, it's over 30 degrees here, my brain is frazzled!

Hi Celeste - Exactly! This is my 'man' in 1901 and 1911 - the only time he ever shows his head above the parapet!
Technically they weren't husband and wife as my Grandmother, Jane, was long separated but not divorced (so I can't glean more from a Mar. cert ). They lived together for at least 30 years that I know about and she died two years after him. Born 1861, she was older than WJ older than W.J. but conveniently 'lost years' as time went on!!!
That was kind of you to dig out these searches for me.
it's unfortunate that I have no idea when or why he left India or indeed where he was from 1869-1901 - or I could follow him up in previous census. Would love to know more but as always...t he remains elusive - drat!
Thanks again - I can't believe how helpful everyone has been,
S

Shirley - do you have any idea what the "J" stood for?

I've found records for a William "H" Crowe born in India about the same time.

Hi Celeste - Mine is def. J for James and he was known as Jim Crowe in Plymouth. I did, at one point, think I'd found his family of Crowe's
re. an Indian Army family in India in 1860's. I tracked them back to the UK by 1880's in the 81, 91 and 01 census but could never establish any concrete tie- in with WJ.
They were: Charles (head), Louisa (wife) with Charles H., Kathleen Elizabeth Daisy, Timothy (all born India) and Harry P. (born London).
I know from the census returns that the daughter as an adult, favoured the name Daisy which made this connection seemed all the more hopeful as my Uncle remembered someone called Daisy that used to visit in Plymouth but WJ, as always doesn't show up in any shape or form!!!!!
My thanks to you again,
S