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-WW1 medals interpretation and ancestry HELP

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**chrispy**

**chrispy** Report 13 Sep 2012 22:32

Hi,
I am trying to research my grandfathers WW1 recors. I've looked in national Archives and found a record of the person I believe could be him.
George Whitehead
1/Northamptonshire regiment 9758 private.
W0 372/21
Ref 132107/37257
He seems to have 14 Star K?1/4 page 47
Victory K/1/101B20 page 3502
clasp & roses LV 3557/0 clasp /2/461
date of entry 13.08.14
Nothing entered in Theatre of war first serve in
Remarks -something I cannot read!

OK! Please can anyone interpret this for me?
secondly. I have been told that the medal cards show the address to where the medals were sent but this is on the back. If I had the address I would know for sure if this is my grandfather. I read that Ancestry had both sides of the cards on their records so I have paid for 12 credits to try to find out. However, I cannot find this George on their records. As there are the above details on Archives, his records must surely be on Ancestry. :-S
Please could someone tell me if he is on there, have I missed him. I'm not expecting anyone to use their credits as I have some, just try to find him for me and I can take it from there.
THANK YOU!!! :-)

Robert

Robert Report 13 Sep 2012 22:46

this might help

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/medals-british-armed-services-campaign-service.htm

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Sep 2012 23:00

If the medals were presented to the soldier, there would be no need for an address

This normally only applies where the medals were sent to a relative, if the serviceman was deceased

When and where was your grandfather born?

Have you any reason to think he served during WW1?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Sep 2012 01:16

Most medal cards do not have any address on them.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Sep 2012 01:21

This is the only George Whitehead in the Northamptnshire Reigment, with a Medal Record, on ancestry



and don't worry ........ I have an annual sub!



British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about George E H Whitehead

Name: George E H Whitehead
Regiment or Corps: Northamptonshire Regiment
Regimental Number: 201095


He got the Victory and British Medals


Medals awarded during WWI included:--

1914 Star (Mons Star) was awarded for service in France or Flanders (Belgium) between 5 August and 22 November 1914


1914-15 Star was awarded for service in France or Flanders (Belgium) between 23 November 1914 and 31 December 1915, or for service in any theater between 5 August 1914 and 31 December 1915


Allied Subjects Medal was awarded to individuals (not necessarily British) for service to the Allied cause, for example, by helping British Prisoners of War escape


Allied Victory Medal (Victory Medal) was awarded for service in any operational theater between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was issued to individuals who received the 1914 and 1914-15 Stars and to most individuals who were issued the British War Medal. The medal was also awarded for service in Russia (1919-1920) and post-war mine clearance in the North Sea (1918-1919).


British War Medal was awarded to both servicemen and civilians that either served in a theater of war, or rendered service overseas between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was also awarded for service in Russia, and post-war mine clearance in the Baltic, the Black Sea, and the Caspian Sea between 1919 and 1920.





sylvia

**chrispy**

**chrispy** Report 14 Sep 2012 18:24

Thank you Robert, Reggie and Sylvia.
For some reason I do not think that my grandfather's records are on Ancestry if both Sylvia and I couldn't find them.
My grandfather was only George (according to his birh certificate) not George EH.
the person who told me that the address was on the back of the records may have assumed that he died during the war but he didn't.
Grandfather was born in Northampton.1894.
I know he served during WW1 because my father told me but he doesn't know any other details (he is 91, can't remember much and says his father did not talk about the war at all). He doesn't even know for sure which regiment he was in!!
As I found the above details on National Archives, I may have to assume this was my grandfather, what a pity there is no address. I would just love to have built up more of a picture but if this is him, according to Sylvia's info the 1914 star was awarded for service in France or Flanders so that is a bit of a picture! Thank you. I don't think I can go any further.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Sep 2012 20:24

chrispy ................


unfortunately, that is the case for most descendants of WW1 servicemen.


Only about 30% of the WW1 records survived WW2, and most of those are damaged and/or incomplete.


I have been lucky ................... my maternal grandfather and my father's eldest brother both served in WW1

Grandfather was over 30, and uncle was 18.


I have found some of their records on ancestry ............. so I have the big picture for them. But there are still gaps and unanswered questions.


For example, the records show that grandfather sailed from Bombay on the SS Elephanta to Basrah, Mesopotamia (now modern day Iraq), served for over a year there, then sailed from Basrah to England and demobilization.

BUT ................ there's no information for the 15 months or so before he appears in Bombay


How did he get there?????





sylvia

**chrispy**

**chrispy** Report 14 Sep 2012 22:03

Frustrating isn't it?
Hope you eventually find your answer!
Many thanks for your help on here.
Chris :-)

Reggie

Reggie Report 14 Sep 2012 22:12

Do you know when he married?

If it was while he was serving, there may be some info on the marriage cert

Reggie

Reggie Report 14 Sep 2012 22:14

Purely for info.........is this him?


1911 England Census about George Whitehead
Name: George Whitehead
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Northampton, Northamptonshire
Civil parish: Wellingborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Knox Road Wellingboro
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Baker
Registration district: Wellingborough
Registration District Number: 166
Sub-registration district: Wellingborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 8530
Household Members:
Name Age
Henrietta Whitehead 44
William Edwin Whitehead 20
Elsie Mary Whitehead 18
George Whitehead 17
Edith Whitehead 14
May Ann Bushby 78
Fletcher Sculley 63
Mary Sculley 65
Dexter 64

**chrispy**

**chrispy** Report 17 Nov 2012 22:53

Very belated reply to Reggie as I thought my thread had finished but Thank you, you have found the right person. He married my grandmother in 1921 but had been married before, His first wife dies in 1916 and he was present at her death and his occupation is given as journeyman baker, no mention of army so I guess that he didn't join up until after her death yet he seems to have a 1914 star so how could that happen unless the army records are another George Whitehead. :-S

mgnv

mgnv Report 18 Nov 2012 00:05

Chrispy - if he got the 14 star, it's pretty sure he would have been regular army - perhaps retired from the army, but recalled to active service with the commencement of hostilities. He could well have been wounded and declared unfit for further service by 1916.
I don't know the British figures, but the ratio of # casualties to # served was 38% in the Canadian Expeditionary Force. Clearly, there were fewer men involved than this, as non-fatally wounded could be wounded again, or killed later.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Nov 2012 08:12

Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919 (sadly, the other one)
Name: George Herbert Edward WHITEHEAD
Rank: PRIVATE
Initials: G H E
Birthplace:
Residence:
Enlisted: Northampton
Regiment, Corps etc.: Northamptonshire Regiment
Battalion etc.: 1/4th Battalion.
4.8.14 Clare Street, Northampton: East Midlands Bde. East Anglian Div. Aug. 1914 to Bury St. Edmunds. May 1915 formation became 162nd Bde. 54th Div. and moved to St. Albans area. July 1915 sailed for Lemnos. 15.8.15 landed at Suvla Bay. Dec. 1915 to Egypt. 31.10.18 162nd Bde. 54th Div. Palestine; Beirut.
Number: 201095
Date died: 19 April 1917
How died: Killed in action
Theatre of war: Palestine

Chris :)

**chrispy**

**chrispy** Report 18 Nov 2012 17:02

I hadn't thought that he could have been wounded and declared unfit for service.
Certainly he had a lot of ill health and died at only age 53 but not until 1947.
On one of his children's death certificate in 1921 (my dad's brother-9 days old) he wrtoe that he was the informant and put his occupation as' Baker ex army'. I feel this meant the army had been important to him (sorry, that is all a meaningless ramble).
Thank you for taking the time to respond. :-)