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I did wonder if the birth wasn't registered.
I've not long spoken to my brother and he had heard the story about someone wanting to adopt our dad as a baby and also about a baby girl who had died, but once again this is all he knows so maybe the birth happened before my grandparents got married? Maybe this is why they went to America for a fresh start after they did marry?
As I said earlier it may be one of those little things that we'll never get to find out. Once again thanks to you all for trying to solve the puzzle, perhaps an answer will turn up out of the blue. I'll certainly continue to try to find out.

No need for the sarky comment Gins.


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I wasnt being sarky Mike, I was being brief as the birth was later and the person could still be living - hence not posting the full details

Good grief!

Just thinking of other scenarios and probably mentioning the obvious

There is a Clara Baker born Nottingham 1919 mmn Baker and
a Clara K Orme born Runcorn, Cheshire 1919 (but mmn Jones)

Born prematurely on board ship travelling to USA - the journey didn't take that long and surely she wouldn't have travelled very close to due date

Born after arrival in USA and so records not available?

if stillborn then not registered on bmd's?

mgnv's NY state census - from Ancestry. Frank and Vera at 113 Newfield Street, both described as Machinists, Working class and Aliens

Please don't argue folks,
Vera is the mother b 1901
Betty Vera is her daughter born 1930

Yes that is my father on the Enlistment Records - He was in 101st Airborne

Its this baby that I was told about yesterday that was born before 1926 and was possibly named Clara or Clare and was either stillborn or died shortly after her birth that I'm trying to locate.

I do appreciate your help everyone, its obviously one of those little family mysteries that pop up now and again!

Hi
My grandparents did live in Eerie and I was told they were sponsored by Jane Warren but I wasn't sure of the connection so now I know its an Aunt.
Its this baby Clara or Clare that I can't figure out - did my Grandparents have 3 children in total and as I said baby was apparently the first born!?!

Am I missing something ?


"when my grandparents lived in America and had not long had my father someone had approached nan about adopting her son!
My nan said no because apparently she had "already lost one baby "

............so the baby was lost before Vera was born in 1930 in UK


No need for the sarky comment Gins.

Looking at free bmd and FMP too, there appear to be 6 Orme births with Baker as the mmn from 1926 to 1946.
Will PM info

Is this your dad?


U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
about Frank W Orme
Name: Frank W Orme
Birth Year: 1926
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: New York
State of Residence: New York

Enlistment Date: 8 Dec 1945
Enlistment State: Pennsylvania
Enlistment City: Media
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade: Private First Class
Grade Code: Private First Class
Term of Enlistment: One year enlistment
Component: Regular Army (including Officers, Nurses, Warrant Officers, and Enlisted Men)
Source: Enlisted Man, Philippine Scout or recall to AD of an enlisted man who had been transferred to the ERC

Education: Grammar school
Civil Occupation: Dental Laboratory Technician
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 87
Weight: 456

Mike

Try looking for 1938

Maybe the baby she lost wasn't the first - as I read it, she'd lost one when she was asked.

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
BAKER Vera P Orme W. Bromwich 6b 1815
ORME Frank L Baker W.Bromwich 6b 1815

Births Jun 1926 (>99%)
Orme Douglas J Baker Birmingham N. 6d 911

Births Jun 1930 (>99%)
Orme Betty V Baker W.Bromwich 6b 1236


NY state law prohibits out of state publication of their births index - check:
http://www.buffaloresearch.com/vital.html

Using:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

name: Frank Orme
titles & terms:
event: Census
event year: 1925
event place: Buffalo Ward 21, A.D. 02, E.D. 01, Erie, New York, United States
gender: Male
age: 24
nationality: England
race: White
relationship to head of household: Head
estimated birth year: 1901
years in the u.s.: 03
family number: 113
page: 84
line number: 15
Citing this Record

"New York, State Census, 1925," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KSWQ-J62 : accessed 04 Oct 2012), Frank Orme, 1925.


Looks like a mistranscription of Vera:
name: Vina Orme
titles & terms:
event: Census
event year: 1925
event place: Buffalo Ward 21, A.D. 02, E.D. 01, Erie, New York, United States
gender: Female
age: 25
nationality: England
race: White
relationship to head of household: Wife
estimated birth year: 1900
years in the u.s.: 03
family number: 113
page: 84
line number: 16
Citing this Record

"New York, State Census, 1925," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KSWQ-J6L : accessed 04 Oct 2012), Vina Orme, 1925.

Unfortunately, one needs an Ancestry sub to view the image

Incidentally, there's another Orme family in Buffalo
Thomas H Orme birth: 1851
Anna L Orme birth: 1862

The only Brian J Orme coming up on freebmd

Births Dec 1914 -
Orme Brian J - Lee - Romford 4a 1035

Hi
You've got the correct Frank L and Vera Orme, their son Frank W (my dad) was born in Buffalo USA, October 1926 and the family came back to UK when he was a baby, Betty wqs born in 1930 in the UK.
I seem to remember a Frank Orme born in 1919 as a cousin somewhere in the family tree.
Was Brian J Orme born to Frank L and Vera?
The baby girl would have been born possibly 1922 - 1925 and I would think have been born in UK but as I said I have no information about this baby only what I was told yesterday.
Have you any idea where I would find the BMD for United States of America - maybe I could check those for a possible birth?

This looks like them in 1925. Her name is Vera on original.

New York, State Census, 1925
about Vina Orme Name: Vina Orme
Birth Date: abt 1900
Birth Place: England
Age: 25
Gender: Female
Residence Place: Buffalo Ward 21, Erie
Relationship: Wife
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 03
Assembly District: 02
House Number: 113
Line Number: 16
Page Number: 84
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Orme 24
Vina Orme 25

Civil Registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder: Frank L Orme married Vera P Baker

Name: ORME, Frank L
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1922
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Baker
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1815

Their arrival in USA in 1922 says they were going to join aunt Mrs. Jane Warren, 88 Riverside Ave., Buffalo, NY.

Not seeing a death for Douglas.

There is this marriage for another Orme/Baker couple but no bride's name

Marriages Sep 1922

ORME James - Baker - Kings N. 6d 341

Also Frank and Vera


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Frank Orme
Name: Frank Orme
Birth Date: abt 1919
Age: 8
Port of departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 13 Jun 1927
Port of arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Carinthia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carinthia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 147216

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Betty Vera Orme
Name: Betty Vera Orme
Birth Date: 16 Apr 1930
Date of Registration: Nov 2002
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Register Number: A25B
District and Subdistrict: 0611A
Entry number: 203

The other child was named Brian J Orme

Did they come back the the UK


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Vera P Orme
Name: Vera P Orme
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1957
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 129


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Frank L Orme
Name: Frank L Orme
Birth Date: abt 1903
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1959
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 551



Births Jun 19## (Edited as no death found)
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Orme Douglas J Baker Birmingham N. 6d 911

Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Frank Leonard Orme <<Dental mechanic
Arrival Date: 27 Sep 1922
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: English
Port of departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Pittsburg
Port of arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Jane Warren
Last Residence: England
Birthplace: Birmingham, England

He is with Vera