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Tony - RC churches were not allowed to keep official marr rego's until the 1980s.
In 1880, only C of E, jews and quakers were allowed to keep official marr rego's. A marr could take place in an RC church (if it were an approved building), but the marr would be officially recorded in the registrar's own rego.

Check again at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/marrcov.php and you'll see West Bromwich, Holy Trinity is C of E.

The m.cert itself will say "Married in the [Parish Church] according to the rites and ceremonies of the [Established Church]" immediately under the main block of entries and before the signatures - where [text] is filled in as appropriate.

Sorry to be so slow with my reply mgnv, but having looked a little more deeply at the west midlands site it seems to me that the All Saints and Christ Church registers are in fact C of E but the one labelled Holy Trinity is for those events deemed non conformist such as Baptist Congregational Methodist and Roman Catholic James marriage to Alice West is in the Holiy Trinity register. The introduction to the site appears to make the distinction, so i hold my belief that it was a Roman Catholic marriage. I hope i dont seem to be confrontational that is not my intent,but i think my interpretation of the text on the site is correct but i am certainly open to correction.
Regards
Tony I

Using http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WEST Alice ISHERWOOD James M West Bromwich, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 25/4/439
so that was a C of E marriage. A pre-1980s RC marr would be recorded in the registrar's own register, along with rego office and other non-conformist marrs (all non-conformist marrs pre-1898 - after that, they could be authorized to keep their own official m.regos, except RCs as I said).

To those that answered my post about James Martin Isherwood Marriages Thank you for your assistance. I hope that i may be of assistance in the future
Best Regards
Tony I

Do you know who the parents of Leslie A. Wilkes (on the 1911 census) were?

Did James have a daughter? If not, maybe Leslie is Annie's grandson. His birth certificate may lead you to her name.

Birth Index
Name: Leslie Alexander Wilkes
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1908
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 927 (click to see others on page)

Think this is Charles;

1911 Wales Census about E H Isherwood
Name: E H Isherwood
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Tredegar
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 17 Coronation St Tredegar
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 3
Estimated Marriage Year: 1908
Occupation: Mill Roller At Rolling Mills Iron Works
Registration district: Bedwellty
Registration District Number: 585
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Household schedule number: 179
Piece: 31849
Household Members:
Name Age
George Miles 52
Maraget Ann Miles 48
Thomas Miles 20
Rachel Miles 18
James Miles 14
E H Isherwood 27
Mary Isherwood 25
W C E Isherwood 2
Maraget Miles 7


He also may have carried the West surname??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
CRAIG Annie Bedwelty 11a 145
>>>>>>>>>ISHERWOOD Charles Henry W Bedwelty 11a 145
>>>>>>>>>MILES Mary Bedwelty 11a 145
WILLIAMS George Albert Bedwellty 11a 145

Birth registration
Name: Rose Margaret Isherwood
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 826 (click to see others on page)


Birth registration
Name: Rose Margaret Isherwood
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1892
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 892 (click to see others on page)


Death registration
Name: Rose Margaret Isherwood
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 697 (click to see others on page

So it looks like there were two Rose Margaret Isherwoods. The firt one dying about a month old.

I wonder whose child she was?

I wonder if this is her with her parents .
Same street as above Census Astra posted 1911

1881 England Census
about Alice Isherwood Name: Alice Isherwood
[Alice West]
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry West
Mother's name: Hannah West
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoensim ?, Belgium

Civil parish: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 119 Dial Lane Public House Britania Inn
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2848
Folio: 77
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Henry West 52
Hannah West 49
Alice Isherwood 23
John West 21 <<<Bn Luxemberg
Joseph West 18 <<<Bn Luxemberg
William West 12
Thomas West 9
Annie Fisher 14

James and Alice are living apart in 1881. Do you have the birth certificates of any of the children to confirm their parentage. Especially Rose as she is noted as adopted in the 1911.

no, neither could I


nor could find any marriage.

It is his sister Sylvia. He isn't shown in that census and I can't find him or Annie in 1891.

Isaw that same census Astra, but I was confused because James had a SISTER called Cecilia Alice!


1861 Census

Name: James Isherwood
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Isherwood
Mother's name: Catherine Isherwood
Gender: Male
Where born: Gargrave, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Gargrave
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Skipton
Sub-registration district: Gargrave

Charles Isherwood 46
Catherine Isherwood 40
John Isherwood 17
Cecilia Alice Isherwood 8
Anthony Charles Isherwood 7
James Isherwood 5
Margaret Ellen Isherwood 2
John Hargraves 30


rather strange for him to marry a woman with exactly the same names!







sylvia

1911

ISHERWOOD, James Martin Head Married M 55 1856 Puddler Gargrave Yorkshire VIEW
ISHERWOOD, Annie Wife Married23 years F 56 1855 Gospel Oak Sedgley Staffs VIEW
ISHERWOOD, John Nephew Single M 30 1881 Mill Furnace Man West Bromwich Staffs VIEW
ISHERWOOD, Rose Margaret Adopted Daughter Single F 18 1893 West Bromwich Staffs VIEW
WILKES, Leslie A Grandson M 3 1908 West Bromwich Staffs VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 17308 Reference: RG14PN17308 RG78PN1062 RD371 SD4 ED3 SN206 Registration District: West Bromwich Sub District: West Bromwich North East Enumeration District: 3 Parish: West Bromwich Address: 133 Dial Lane West Bromwich County: Staffordshire

1891

ISHERWOOD, Charles Head Married M 74 1817
Gargrave, Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, Cecelia A Daughter Married F 38 1853
Gargrave, Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, James R Grandson Single M 10 1881
Smethwick, Warwickshire, Birmingham VIEW
ISHERWOOD, Albert W Grandson M 9 1882
West Bromwich VIEW
ISHERWOOD, Charles Grandson M 6 1885
West Bromwich VIEW
ISHERWOOD, Charles J Grandson M 1 1890
West Bromwich VIEW >>>>>DUNN on original

Piece: 2271 Folio: 89 Page: 22 Registration District: West Bromwich Civil Parish: West Bromwich Municipal Borough: West Bromwich Address: 7, Ten House Row, Brick House Lane, West Bromwich County: Staffordshire

I cannot see the second marriage. Where /when did he marry Annie?

James married Alice West 1880 in West Bromwich Staffordshire England My grandfather Albert West Isherwood was born from this marriage in 1882 Charles and Rose Margaret followed Since James father was married in the Roman Catholic chapel at Broughton Hall Skipton Yorks. its fair to assume James was raised in the catholic faith.This means there would have been no divorce. Yet James remarries in 1888. I cannot find any evidence of Alice West death or other departure nor,can i find any trace of second wife Annies maiden name. Can anyone help please.
Anthony