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2 Jan 2013 22:29 |
Just in case you do not read the success boards: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/success_stories/thread/1316760
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Joyce
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10 Nov 2012 14:21 |
Thank you to all for your further information. I'm now in the process of following up other possible leads or enquiries that have arisen from all your comments. His age (22) together with the surname Wood, appears in the Salvation Army records, but I know that often these details were a bit vague at best. And perhaps the family got so sick of spelling or pronouncing the name Waud (if it turns out to be that) that they simply gave up and said it was Wood!
And another ps to Reggie: I'm sorry you feel I've wasted people's time unnecessarily by not giving more info. at the start. I've never posted on any GR forums before. My original post was put out as a 'feeler', and I thought I might get one or two replies, if I was lucky. Possibly none at all. So I was totally overwhelmed by the response. But instead of focussing on the sheer generosity and kindness of people, and the extent to which they were prepared to help, I'm now responding for the second time to your petty criticisms. I freely admit I'm a novice when it comes to family research and have much still to learn. And you clearly are much more experienced than I am. So perhaps a little understanding and tolerance wouldn't come amiss. This isn't a competition, so I'd be really grateful if you didn't use my general lack of knowledge of the etiquette of these forums in order to score points. Thank you!
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ChristinaS
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8 Nov 2012 13:57 |
The 1901 and 1911 censuses that Catherine has posted are both for the address 62, Spencer Road, Stoke Newington. They had a son, Frances Henry Waud.
As this is where your Frances Henry was living in 1908, it would be a huge coincidence if this wasn't your Frances Henry.
Maybe he pronounced Waud as Wood, to save confusion. Or people thought he was saying Wood and not Waud.
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Mary
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8 Nov 2012 13:40 |
When you view original 1911 census it deffinately says William James Copleston.
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Joyce
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8 Nov 2012 11:17 |
Re Francis Hy. Wood Very many thanks for all your kind efforts and info. Much appreciated. Relevance of 1908 is it's the year my father was born. Have just learned (source: Salvation Army archives) after a lifetime of not knowing, that he was the father of my unmarried grandmother's baby (born in a SA hospital). She (Elsie Copleston) was 17. He promised marriage but then thought better of it! And his surname seems positively to have been Wood, not Waud or Wand. No Australian connection that I know of.
Have been a member of GR for years, but not a regular visitor since I completed my basic research some time ago. Am now trying to get to grips with the new site.
To Reggie: A belated and grovelling 'please' and 'thank you'. Have also heeded your stern warnings not to click on your name, and to dutifully use the Add Your Reply box. Wouldn't dream of doing otherwise, Reggie. You sound far too formiddable! And yes, I'm in the process of searching all trees, but thanks anyway.
To all, thanks once again. Your replies have given me new food for thought, and possibly new avenues to explore.
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Choccy
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6 Nov 2012 16:22 |
Elizabeth, Francis and Cissie - presumably father had already gone (?)
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Name: Mrs E WAND Date of departure: 14 October 1913 Port of departure: London Destination port: Melbourne Destination country: Australia Date of Birth: 1888 (calculated from age) Age: 25 Marital Status: Sex: Female Occupation: Home Duties Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 25
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Miss C WAND age 1 Mast F WAND age 4
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ship: INDRAPURA Official Number: 131403 Master's name: R Craven Steamship Line: The Tyser Line Ld Where bound: Australia Square feet: 15953 Registered tonnage: 10286 Passengers on voyage: 926
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Choccy
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6 Nov 2012 16:08 |
death of Francis Henry Waud's wife -
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Elizth Louisa Waud Death Place: Pran, Victoria Age: 48 Father's Name: Jno Parish Mother's name: Sarah Parker Registration Year: 1937 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 9249 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
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Choccy
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6 Nov 2012 16:02 |
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Francis Ernest Waud Death Place: Caulfield, Victoria Age: 72 Father's Name: Henr Francis Mother's name: Louise Registration Year: 1981 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 12681 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Think that death of Francis Henry Waud in Australia in 1957 posted by Margee is probably correct.
His father was George William (William George?)
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Catherine
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6 Nov 2012 15:54 |
Don't know what happened there, I was sure I'd already posted that 1909 marriage? Never mind at least someone has their head on the right way round today.
Another child that would go with this couple:-
Births Sep 1912 (>99%) Waud Cissie L Parish Hackney 1b 719
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Choccy
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6 Nov 2012 15:47 |
Births Sep 1909 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WAUD Francis Ernest Hackney 1b 369
Births Sep 1912 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Waud Cissie L Parish Hackney 1b 719
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Choccy
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6 Nov 2012 15:41 |
this could be them - surname is WAUD on original
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National Archive Reference: RG14PN1016 RG78PN34 RD11 SD1 ED12 SN465 Reg. District: Hackney Sub District: Stoke Newington Parish: Stoke Newington Enum. District: 12 Address: 16 Clonbrook Road Stoke Newington County: London
WAND, Francis Head Married M 25 1886 Carman London Hackney WAND, Elizabeth Wife Married 2 years F 22 1889 London Hackney WAND, Francis Son M 1 1910 London Stoke Newington
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Choccy
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6 Nov 2012 15:37 |
surname is WAUD on original
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Francis Henry Wand (Coachman) Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Age: 23 Spouse Name: Elizabeth Louisa Parish (Domestic servant) Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Apr 1909 Parish: Mildmay Grove St Jude Borough: Islington Father Name: George William Wand (Artist colour mixer) Spouse Father Name: John Parish (General dealer) Register Type: Parish Register address - 45 Queen Margaret's Grove
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Catherine
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6 Nov 2012 14:43 |
Thanks Margee, at least we can rule that out now! :-)
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MargaretM
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6 Nov 2012 14:41 |
The Australian death:
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Francis Henry Waud Name: Francis Henry Waud Death Place: Alberton, Victoria Age: 72 Father's Name: Willi George Registration Year: 1957 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 14337 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Don't think so, father is Willi George.
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Catherine
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6 Nov 2012 14:41 |
Same family again in 1891:-
1891 England Census about George Naud Name: George Naud [George Waud] [George Henry Waud] Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 [19th July 1859] Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Naud Gender: Male Where born: Barbican, London, England [London, England] Civil parish: Stoke Newington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mathias Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 35 Cressington Road
Occupation: Artist colourmaker
Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 180 Folio: 122 Page Number: 67 Household Members: Name Age George Naud 31 Emma Naud 30 born: Walton on Nage, Essex, Florence Naud 10 Georgine Naud 7 Francis Naud 5 George Naud 3 Ellen Naud 1
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Catherine
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6 Nov 2012 14:37 |
ancestry give this as a possible link for this person:-
Francis Henry Waud Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
..............but my sub. doesn't allow me to view so don't know if it is your guy????
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MargaretM
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6 Nov 2012 14:37 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Henry Waud Name: George Henry Waud Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Age: 21 Spouse Name: Emma Maria Popperwell Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 20 Jun 1880 Parish: Dalston Holy Trinity Borough: Hackney Father Name: George Daniel Waud Spouse Father Name: Robert Popperwell Register Type: Parish Register
He's an artist colourman. Address for both 36 Woodland St. His father an artist colourman, hers a labourer. Witnesses George Daniel Waud & Emma Waud.
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Catherine
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6 Nov 2012 14:32 |
could this be him?
WOOD, Francis Henry Head Married M 26 1885 Roundsman Dairy Work County of London Marylebone VIEW WOOD, Frances Wife Married 2 years F 24 1887 Stock Keeper- Dressmaker County of London Lambeth VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 538 Reference: RG14PN538 RG78PN19 RD7 SD2 ED2 SN346 Registration District: St Marylebone Sub District: St Mary Enumeration District: 2 Parish: St Marylebone Address: 12 Seymour Place Marylebone County: London
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This marriage would fit for this couple:-
Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%) CHAPMAN Frederick William Kensington 1a 404 xxxx Frances Kensington 1a 404 KING Amy Elizabeth Kensington 1a 404 xxxx WOOD Francis Henry Kensington 1a 404
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Catherine
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6 Nov 2012 14:27 |
The family in 1911 census in 1901 (with Francis )
1901 England Census about Frances H Wand Name: Frances H Wand [Frances H Waud] [Francis Henry Waud] Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Son Father's Name: Geo H Wand Mother's name: Emma M Wand Gender: Male Where born: W Islington Civil parish: Stoke Newington Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 62 Spencer Road
Occupation: Errand Boy (port)
Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 267 Piece: 208 Folio: 53 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Geo H Wand 41 - occupation:- artists ? colourmaker Emma M Wand 40 Georgina R Wand 19 xxxx Frances H Wand 15 xxxx Geo W Wand 13 Ellen B Wand 11 Stanley R Wand 1
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Joseph
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6 Nov 2012 14:23 |
???
Births Jun 1885 WAUD Francis Henry Hackney 1b 464
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