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Re Joseph Kidd
There is a tree on Ancestry showing Joseph Kidd .. born c.1846 in Renfrewshire.
No parents named.
Joseph married Jane Brown on the 2nd August 1873 in Blythswood Glasgow. His marriage certificate should register his parents names .. but might not.
Is deceased by the time of his daughter's marriage in 1907
1861 census: Same as yours
1871 census: See further down for (complicated) details
1881 Scotland Census about Joseph Kidd
Name: Joseph Kidd
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Kidd
Gender: Male
Where born: Lochwinnoch, Renfrew Sh
Registration number: 568
Registration district: Kilbarchan
Civil parish: Kilbarchan
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 43 Napier St
Occupation: Cotton Factory
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 101
Line: 19
Roll: cssct1881_169
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Kidd 35
Jane Kidd 36
Annie B Kidd 6
Joseph Kidd 5
Janet Kidd 3
Jane Kidd 1
Ann Brown 58
1891 Scotland Census about Joseph Kidd
Name: Joseph Kidd
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Kidd
Gender: Male
Where born: Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 644/3
Registration district: Dennistoun
Civil parish: Glasgow Inner High
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 23 Glenfield St
Occupation: Carding Master in Cotton Factory
ED: 47
Household schedule number: 62
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_250
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Kidd 45
Jane Kidd 46
Annie B Kidd 16
Joseph Kidd 15
Elizabeth Kidd 9
Janet Kidd 13
John B Kidd 7
George B Kidd 4
Thomas Kidd 10 Mo
1901 Scotland Census about Joseph Kidd
Name: Joseph Kidd
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Kidd
Gender: Male
Where born: Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 644/3
Registration district: Dennistoun
Civil parish: Glasgow Dennistoun
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 6 Golfhill Drive
Occupation: Overlooker Carne Room Of Collm Mill
ED: 31
Household schedule number: 100
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1901_274
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Kidd 55
Jane Kidd 54
Annie Kidd 26
Joseph Kidd 25
Janet Kidd 20
Elizabeth Kidd 19
John Kidd 17
George Kidd 14
Thomas Kidd 10
Walter Webester 21
Jane Webester 18
However ... this looks to be Joseph Kidd in the 1871 census. Appearing to tie-in with James Hannay ... the other grandson of Mary Stevenson ?
1871 Scotland Census about Joseph Rudd
Name: Joseph Rudd
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 10 Myrtle St
Occupation: Penter In Cotton Factory (Tenter)
ED: 50
Household schedule number: 68
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_135
Household Members: Name Age
James Henney
56
Elizabeth Henney
57
James Henney
25
William Henney
18
Elizabeth Henney
13
Joseph Rudd
25
Also looks likely to be James Hannay .. from the 1841 and 51 census in Lochwinnoch where recorded living with his granny.
My guess is Elizabeth might be the daughter of Mary recorded in the 1841 census previously sent. She was born in Fenwick, Ayrshire.
Marriage ?
James Henney and Elizabeth Stevenson
4th January 1861
Central District, Glasgow, Lanark
(marr cert may verify Mary and John Stevenson as parents)
This family in a fankle .. does this mean James Henney and Elizabeth have known each other since 1836 .. when James Jnr was born but didn't marry until 1861.
Or has James Henney Snr been married to someone else during this time.
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My goodness you ladies are quick finding data! I've hardly had time to think, far less organize the first lot of info in paper form, so I will not waste time/credits when I search SP. You certainly had given me much to work with ~ then gave much more!
Thank you for the added and totally unexpected info on James HENNEY & Joseph RIDD / RUDD / KIDD. I did have a quick look for one of them via Ancestry, but was so tired I was becoming confused.
Yes if one spouse married the deceased spouse's sibling, it was considered incest and of course illegal. Scotland as well . Not sure when the law changed. Recalling from memory - c1907? or c1927? time frame. It did happen though.
In for a penny, in for a £, is my general rule when I search SP, though I do prepare / get organized before taking the plunge. You ladies have been fantastic! With that in mind (& an SP search looming), I have another poser, but will post in a new thread. It has been a difficult search for me, yielding nothing, other than driving me bonkers. BROWN is prime surname.
I'm overwhelmed with the data provided on my STEVENSON - MCCLUKY family. Just saying thank you seems inadequate ~ certainly much appreciated.
Trena
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Hi Trena
I have really enjoyed the search - thank you for providing me with a few hours of pleasure. Yes, 1907 was when the law changed in England but of course it did happen before that or couples just lived together.
Bring on Brown! (it could be worse, it could be Smith!)
I also noticed that the John mentioned in some of the earlier censuses appears to have also gone to Canada. Do you know anything about him?
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For ref:
1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148116-00464.pdf
1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148116-00466.pdf
[image order's gotten muddled]
You should look up 1901 at http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html
There's contact info for a g grandaur of Margt given there
1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: NS HALIFAX (#33)
Subdistrict: Bedford Basin H Page 7
37 51 Wyatt Margaret F Head W Mar 24 1857 44
38 51 Wyatt James M Son S Aug 17 1883 17
39 51 Wyatt Mary F Daughter S Dec 26 1887 13
40 51 Wyatt John M Son S Aug 18 1892 8
41 51 Wyatt Thomas M Son S May 19 1894 6
42 51 Wyatt Alice F Daughter S Aug 13 1895 5
43 51 Wyatt Victoria F Daughter S May 7 1897 3
S1 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000040504.pdf
S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000040495.pdf
[addy just=Bedford - Margt & Jas immig 1889 - rest pob=NS]
1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: NS HALIFAX (#33)
Subdistrict: Bedford Basin H Page 13
44 106 Greenman Benjamin M Head M May 3 1851 49
45 106 Greenman Isabelle F Wife M Jun 26 1866 34
46 106 Greenman Anna F Daughter S Apr 6 1887 14
47 106 Greenman Charlie M Son S May 26 1890 10
48 106 Greenman Ruth F Daughter S Jul 17 1899 1
49 106 Wyatt Janet F Domestic S Mar 27 1881 20
S1 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000040510.pdf
S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000040496.pdf
[again addy=Bedford]
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Nova Scotia / Halifax / 1 Bedford poll district / page 11
26 91 Wyatt Margaret F Head W Mar 1857 54
27 91 Wyatt James M Son S Aug ? 27
28 91 Wyatt Thomas M Son S May 1894 17
29 91 Wyatt Alice F Daughter S Aug 1896 15
30 91 Wyatt Annie F Daughter S Mar 1897 14
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001969941.pdf
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Nova Scotia / Halifax / 1 Bedford poll district / page 11
1 87 Nelson Charles M Head M Mar 1873 38
2 87 Nelson Janet F Wife M Mar 1881 30
3 87 Nelson Charles M Son S Nov 1902 8
4 87 Nelson Olive F Daughter S Mar 1904 7
5 87 Nelson Francis F Daughter S Nov 1907 3
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001969941.pdf
[immig not given]
Re: "On Canadian census, 1891-1911, my great-gran's birth date is down as 27th March 1857, Daughter who was informant on d/c 14th February 1943 Bedford Halifax Co Nova Scotia,, put down same birth date. "
1901 says 24/3/1857 and d.cert says 24/3/1855
I checked https://novascotiagenealogy.com/
Mary & Thos's births are there, as are Janet, John, Thomas, James, Alice (to Ronald, not Edward), Robt's marrs.
Robt d 29/11/1957 - dob=29/2/1877 (a non-existant date) - been in country 65y.
Margt d 14/2/1943 - pob=Glasgow
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The images of James's attestation papers are gotten by a search at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
Name: WYATT, JAMES
Regimental number(s): 282200
Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 10616 - 40
Date of Birth: 04/08/1883
No hit at CWGC
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mgnv ~ Sorry for the late response, I just saw this Bedford data. Thank you I do have all the Halifax data. Thomas born 1894 is my grandfather. Janet the eldest girl was born in Glasgow; Nancy born Stockport & James #2 born Derbys (have all BMDs). Robert was born Glasgow too. Although known as eldest child/brother, he was in fact a 1C (parents Mary MCLUSKY & James MCKENZIE who wed a few months after his birth - Mum died in 1880), born 29 February (according to SP as well) 1877. The eldest living son was in fact Joseph born Glasgow 1879. Two babies, James #1 & John #1 born / died Glasgow 1876-1878.
James #2 WWl did survive to come home. He did not stay in the army like his brother John #2 born 1892 Halifax who stayed in the Army (RCRs) after WWl, retiring 1946. I grew up with him nearby, plus 3 of his granddaughters (Kingston Ontario).
My thanks to all who have helped sort my family out. It has been much appreicated. Trena
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Potty ~ Sorry I never got back to you. I'd not realised there were more messages.
Which John did you mean? John WHYATT? or John MCLUSKY? John WHYATT arrived aboard Peruvian in July 1887 with wife Margaret & 5 kiddies in tow. Name on manifest was WYATT. Attempts to revert back to WHYATT were in vain, hence we are now WYATTs.
John MCLUSKY I couldn't find after 1881. Two of same name died in workhouses but only names given with no further details, so I had no idea if one was our Margaret's father or not. Would be super if him who came over .. 'cause that might mean son John came as well! May be easier to find over here, especially if in Halifax area.
Many thanks ~ Trena
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