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Morris family pre 1911

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Michael Charles

Michael Charles Report 3 Dec 2012 10:52

Problem is I cannot trace any record of their marriage if there was one.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 2 Dec 2012 18:38

If you buy the marriage certificate of Charles and Martha it will give her father's name assuming she knew. You would then have her maiden surname.

Michael Charles

Michael Charles Report 2 Dec 2012 18:02

To Londonbelle, rootgatherer and gins
Many thanks to you all for your responses which confirm the information I have collected (death of Angelina was 1896 - I wrote her DOB in error). My guess is that Martha and children adopted Charles Morris' name when they were taken in by him and without her original surname I doubt I can get much further. Martha Ball must fit into the picture somewhere: I find her in the 1881 census but then the trail goes cold. Michael

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 1 Dec 2012 18:08

Possible baptism for Martha Ball that Michael states in his post

Name: Martha Ball
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Jun 1854
Father's Name: William Ball occ Carpenter
Mother's Name: Eliza Ball
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2012 18:00

1891

Name: Martha Williams
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant Domestic
Gender: Female
Where born: London City

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 196
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
John Hay 44
Annie Risley 17
Caroline Clarke 15
Martha Williams 39

On image "S" for single has been overwritten with what looks like a "W".

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2012 17:52

I wonder about this?

1891

Name: Joseph Williams
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green

Civil parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: Bethnal Green Parish School
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1352
Folio: 119
Page Number: 22



Also there is a Rose Williams, aged 8 years.

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 1 Dec 2012 17:52

1881 census?

Name: Charles Morris
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Angelina Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Dover, Kent, England

Civil parish: St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 28 Westmoreland Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Frame Gilder

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 389
Folio: 113
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Morris 30
Angelina Morris 27
Beatrice Morris 1

Death of Beatrice?

Deaths Sep 1885
Morris Beatrice 5 Islington 1b 227

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 1 Dec 2012 17:43

1891 census

Name: Angelina R Morris
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Morris
Mother's Name: Angelina Morris
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 22a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 169
Folio: 64
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Morris 40 occ Frame Gilder?
Angelina Morris 37
Angelina R Morris 3

Birth of child Angelina?

Births Jun 1888
MORRIS Angelina Ruth Islington 1b 345

Could this be Ruth in 1901 census? If so, as Rootgather suggests, perhaps the other children Mary (the same age as Ruth) and Joseph were Martha's children and assumed Charles' surname?

Wife Angelina's death

Deaths Mar 1896
Morris Angelina 43 Islington 1b 125

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2012 17:43

Thank you Gins.

I thought that I was doing something wrong.

Gins

Gins Report 1 Dec 2012 17:41

Ive reported that image Root, to Ancestry

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2012 17:33

1901 - unable to check Charles's occupation on original image

Name: Martha Morris
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Morris
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Dalston St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 209
Piece: 216
Folio: 23
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Morris 50
Martha Morris 48
Joseph Morris 18
Mary A Morris 13
Ruth Morris 13

???

Marriages Sep 1896
Harkom Carry Louisa Edmonton 3a 603
Loveday William Frederick Edmonton 3a 603
MORRIS Charles James Edmonton 3a 603 <<<<<<<
Williams Martha Annie Edmonton 3a 603 <<<<<<<<<<<

Gins

Gins Report 1 Dec 2012 17:31

1891 England Census
Name: Charles Morris
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Angelina Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Dover, Kent, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 22a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 169
Folio: 64
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Morris 40
Angelina Morris 37
Angelina R Morris 3


As Joseph is with 'said' father, he could have been taken in by family or friends?

Angelina didnt die in 1853?


Martha is listed as born in Oxton, which county was this?

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 1 Dec 2012 17:29

1901 census?

Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Morris
Mother's Name: Martha Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Dalston St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 209
Piece: 216
Folio: 23
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Morris 50 b Dover
Martha Morris 48 b Cornwall
Joseph Morris 18
Mary A Morris 13
Ruth Morris 13

Children all born Islington

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2012 17:22

1911

Name: Martha Morris
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Oxton
Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 23 Tilia Road, Lower Clapton N E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Estimated Marriage Year: 1897
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 1079
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Morris 60 French Polisher
Martha Morris 57
Mary Ann Morris 24

Says second marriage on image, so perhaps Joseph was using his stepfathers name?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2012 17:16

Marriages Dec 1909
GARRETT Rachel Eleanor Hackney 1b 863
MORRIS Joseph Hackney 1b 863

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2012 17:12

Name: Joseph Morris GPO Telegraphist
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 26
Spouse Name: Rachel Eleanor Garrett
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Dec 1909
Parish: Hackney St Luke
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Charles Morris, French Polisher
Register Type: Parish Register
Spouse's Father: Ernest John Garrett, Rope Maker

Witnesses
Ernest John Garrett
Frederick George James Bolton
Mary Morris

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 1 Dec 2012 16:46

1911 census for Joseph & Rachel ....for ref

Name: Joseph Morris
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 66 Blurton Road, Lower Clapton N E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: LINEMANS
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 1093
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Morris 27 (image states b Islington Middx)
Rachel Eleanor Morris 24 (image states b Homerton Middx)
Edith Jessie Morris 4 (image states 4 1/2 mths b Homerton Middx)


Married 1 year

Michael Charles

Michael Charles Report 1 Dec 2012 16:38

In the 1911 census my maternal grandfather Joseph Morris lives at 66 Blurton Road, Clapton, London, and is married to Rachel (nee Garrett). In the same census his mother Martha is married to/lives with Charles Morris at 23 Tilia Road,Clapton. My grandfather was born in Islington in July 1983 but there is no record of this in BDM. The census also records that Martha and Charles ( whose first wiife Angelina died in 1853) had been together for 14 years but I can find no record of marriage in BDM. I am keen to trace my grandfather's history but have little to go on except that among papers in my late father's possession was a birth certificate copy dated 1923 for a Martha Ball (born 1854 in Bermondsey ). Same Martha? Any information would be most welcome. Michael Gillett.