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Charles Steele help required

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Donna

Donna Report 3 Dec 2012 14:19

Hi

I am trying to track further back with the family tree on my dad's side.
His grandfather was called Charles Steele. We believe he was born about 1884c in birmingham, uk.
In 1903 he married a Rose Linda Simmons in Aston Birmingham.
On the marriage certificate his father's name is also Charles Steel (deceased)and profession was a Carter. I have also noticed on this document that the 'E' at the end of the surname disappears.
I have managed to find them on the 1911 census residing at Court 30 No4 Barford Street. By this stage they had 2 living children: Rosylyn aged 6 and Cales aged 1 but on here the surname is spelt with the additional 'E'.
From talking to family etc we believe Charles and Rose had the following children:
Rose / Rosylyn b 1905,
Charles David b 1911
Margarit c1918
James b 1920
Rose b 1922 and lastly
John b 1927

I have managed to locate a death certificate for him in 1943.
We havent been able to get any further back with this line, can anyone help us?

Kind Regards
Donna

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Dec 2012 14:32

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: STEELE, Charles
Address: Court 30 4 House Barford St Birmingham

STEELE, Charles Head Married M 28 1883 Market Potter Warwickshire Bham VIEW
STEELE, Rosylyn Wife Married8 years F 28 1883 Warwickshire Bham VIEW
STEELE, Rosylyn Daughter F 6 1905 Warwickshire Bham VIEW
STEELE, Charles Son M 0 1911 Warwickshire Bham VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 18130
Reference: RG14PN18130 RG78PN1098 RD384 SD4 ED27 SN66
Registration District: Birmingham
Sub District: St Martin
Enumeration District: 27
Parish: Birmingham
Address: Court 30 4 House Barford St Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Dec 2012 14:37

??

1901 England Census
about Charles Steele
Name: Charles Steele
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Stepson
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 2837
Folio: 47
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Clark 40 ...Bridgnorth
May Clark 11
Charles Steele 18


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Dec 2012 14:40

I have to do the school run......will pop back later.

Vera

Vera Report 3 Dec 2012 14:54

Re PH find 1901 with Elizabeth Clark
?????????

1891

Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
STEEL, Jack Head Married M 33 1858 Hostler
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
STEEL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1859
Bridgnorth, Shropshire VIEW
STEEL, Alice Daughter F 14 1877
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
STEEL, Charles H Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
STEEL, May Daughter F 2 1889
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
Piece: 2384
Folio: 5
Page: 3
Registration District: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 7, 7 Court, Digbeth, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire



1881

Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
STEELE, John Head Married M 23 1858 Ostler
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
STEELE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 22 1859
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
STEELE, Alice Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
STEELE, Clara Daughter Single F 2 1879
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
STEELE, John Son Single M 0 1881
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
Piece: 2986
Folio: 11
Page: 16
Registration District: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, House 3, Court 24 Bromsgrove St, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire


there is a death in 1894 John Steel aged 36 birmingham


could be
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Clarke John Birmingham 6d 128

Steel Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 128






Regards Vera

Flip

Flip Report 3 Dec 2012 15:07

Using Freebmd, the births are easy to find as they state mmn:

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
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Steel Margaret Simmons Birmingham 6d 641

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Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Steel James Simmons Birmingham 6d 736

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Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
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Steel Rose A Simmons Birmingham 6d 664

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Births Sep 1927 (>99%)
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Steel John Simmons Birmingham S. 6d 274

Not having much luck finding him on earlier census though.

Donna

Donna Report 4 Dec 2012 16:24

Hi

Thanks for this, however, I have tried the one line of possibles of a Jack and Elizabeth, however, if his fathers name is supposed to be charles how can it be jack??
Plus, could Elizabeth remarry under the Steel marriage name?

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Dec 2012 16:39

A widow re-marries using her first married name

Fathers recorded as 'deceased' on marriage certs were sometimes invented to cover illegitimacy

Who witnessed the marriage?

Donna

Donna Report 4 Dec 2012 17:06

Hi
I am looking at the signatures on the marriage certificate and they aren't the clearest. One looks like a possible Johnes Bates / Johny Bates and the other has the inital C but can't make out the surname as the ink has blobbed.

Sorry I cant be much help.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 4 Dec 2012 21:05

There is this one who is a Currier (same as a Carter??) and his wife is Elizabeth.

1891 England Census
about Chas J Steele
Name: Chas J Steele
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Steele
Gender: Male
Where born: Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 378
Folio: 73
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Chas J Steele 36
Elizabeth Steele 41
William H Steele 18


Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Dec 2012 22:26

A currier is a specialist in the leather processing industry. After the tanning process, the currier applies techniques of dressing, finishing and colouring to the ...