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ceri

ceri Report 20 Dec 2012 21:56

Thank you again KenSE, i shall take a look.
It might be handy to find the other one im looking for and others i will need too.

KenSE

KenSE Report 20 Dec 2012 20:26

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Default.aspx

That is the site but you have to buy a subscription to view the images. £5 a day upto £75 a year.

For parish records there isn't an index to search within the parish but if you know the parish and approximate date it is usually easy to find things.

You have to register to view the SEAX index which tells you what records they have available.

ceri

ceri Report 20 Dec 2012 19:21

Oh Brilliant Thank you KenSE, what website did you use to find that info?
Thanks

KenSE

KenSE Report 20 Dec 2012 08:25

The Parish Register for St Mary, East Ham held at the Essex Record Office contains the following burial:

Edward Springfield Hunt of 66 Hockley Avenue East Ham E6, buried 12 May 1958 age 82 years.

SEAX reference is D/P 156/1/60 Image 42

It is Entry 621 in that parish log book.

mgnv

mgnv Report 20 Dec 2012 04:31

Ceri - I don't think one should place too much reliance on the absence of a deceased notation on a marr cert. Here's an example of a bro & sis marrying, and Richard Hill was no Lazasus:

Marriage: 25 Aug 1894 St Elizabeth of Hungary, Aspull, Lancs.
Robert Hill - 21, Collier, Bachelor, Heyes Square, higher Gullet, Aspull
Ellen Westhead - 21, Pit-Brow Woman, Spinster, 2 Leigh's Yard, Hr. Gullet, Aspull
Groom's Father: Richard Hill, (decd.), Collier
Bride's Father: John Westhead, (decd), Collier
Witness: Emmanuel Seddon; Alice Hill, (X)
Married by Banns by: George F. Grundy M.A. Vicar
Register: Marriages 1883 - 1907, Page 101, Entry 202
Source: LDS Film 1885720

Marriage: 13 Oct 1894 St Elizabeth of Hungary, Aspull, Lancs.
Emmanuel Seddon - 20, Collier, Bachelor, 284 Chorley Road, Wingates, Westhoughton
Mary Jane Hill - 19, Pit-Brow Woman, Spinster, 11 Lr. Gullet, Aspull
Groom's Father: Emmanuel Seddon, Collier
Bride's Father: Richard Hill, Collier
Witness: Thomas Westwell; Sarah Barstow
Married by Banns by: George F. Grundy M.A. Vicar
Register: Marriages 1883 - 1907, Page 102, Entry 203
Source: LDS Film 1885720

ceri

ceri Report 19 Dec 2012 22:19

Thanks Stuart, i found the 1958 as a possibility, but wasnt able to confirm.
On Ivy's marriage cert it says her address was 66 Hockley Avenue East Ham (The same address her and her parents lived at in 1911) Ivy was married on 30th November 1930 and her father Edward Springfield Hunt is not listed as being deceased so i think its safe to say the 3rd qtr 1930 one isnt him.

Im pretty certain its going to be the 1958 one, but wondered if there was a way of checking that address electoral roll

Stuart

Stuart Report 19 Dec 2012 21:50

Deaths Edward S Hunt 1911-1976 born 1876 =/- 2 years

Sep Qtr 1930 London City, London 1C 5 aged 56 (so born c 1874) or

Jun Qtr 1958 East Ham, Essex 5A 22 aged 82 (born c 1876)

ceri

ceri Report 19 Dec 2012 20:55

Thanks guys, so is there a way of searching ancestry electoral rolls for an address?
If they lived at 66 Hockley Avenue, East Ham in 1911 can i find out if they are there in future years? Even to try and find a better idea of year of death for Edward Springfield Hunt born 1876?

Stuart

Stuart Report 18 Dec 2012 23:34

Just a tip - someone in 1901 says they are 50. 1901-50 = born 1851 on census. If the census were taken 31st March, the person could actually have been born April 1st 1850 to March 31st 1851. 75% more likely to have been born the year before the simple maths suggests.
Edward on the 1901 could have been aged just 1, or nearly 2 - born between April 1899 and March 1900

ceri

ceri Report 18 Dec 2012 23:18

sorry yes thats what i meant and the first 1891 census put on here is the reason im confused (fancy calling every generation of children the same thing lol) the first one posted is born 1883, the one i am looking for is born 1877 which i believe looks like the 2nd one posted.
The Edward on the 1901 born abt 1900 is also Edward Springfield Hunt born 1899!! Confused.com

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Dec 2012 23:13

OK, so there are two Edward Springfields:-

Births Jun 1876 (>99%)
Hunt Edward Springfield Hollingbourne 2a _78

Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
Hunt Edward Springfield Hollingbourn 2a 714

.............so that's where the confusion may have come from.

So Jan's 1891 will be the correct one.

Stuart

Stuart Report 18 Dec 2012 23:07

Same family 1901 - places of birth are the same
1901 census transcription details for: 4, Rathmore Street, Charlton And Kidbrooke

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 562
Folio: 149
Page: 17
Reg. District: Woolwich
Sub District: Charlton
Parish: Charlton and Kidbrooke
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Rathmore Street, Charlton And Kidbrooke
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HUNT, Edward Head Married M 24 1877 Bricklayer Leeds, Kent
HUNT, Emily Wife Married F 24 1877 Hounslow, Middlesex
HUNT, Edward Son Single M 1 1900 Highgate, Middlesex

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Dec 2012 23:06

Ah Jan, maybe ceri meant that she had two 1891 census records as I have a different 1891 to yours.
Is your Edward S, Edward Springfield also?

ceri

ceri Report 18 Dec 2012 23:05

thats one of the 1901 census details i have the other i dont know where i got from but has mum dad and siblings...ill scrub that one and put in this one

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 18 Dec 2012 23:03

There is only one Edward who fits I think - not clear why you have attached a different 1901 census.

Here he is 1891:

1891 England Census

Name: Edward S Hunt Bricklayer
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward S Hunt
Mother's Name: Fanny Hunt
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Kent, England

Civil parish: Langley
Ecclesiastical parish: Langley
Town: Headcorn
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: Hollingbourn
Sub-registration district: Headcorn

Edward S Hunt 39
Fanny Hunt 37
George E Hunt 15
Edward S Hunt 14
Florence E Hunt 12
Raymond J Hunt 10
Beatrice S Hunt 6
Herbert W J Hunt 3
Edith H A Hunt 2
Edward Cook 48
Leonard Hunt 8

Jan

Stuart

Stuart Report 18 Dec 2012 23:02

FMP version of 1911 for places of birth of Emily and Edward to help pinpoint 1901
1911 census transcription details for: 66 Hockley Avenue East Ham

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9529 RG78PN509 RD188 SD5 ED10 SN338
Reg. District: West Ham
Sub District: South East Ham
Parish: East Ham
Enum. District: 10
Address: 66 Hockley Avenue East Ham
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HUNT, Edward Head Married M 34 1877 Bricklayer Leeds Kent
HUNT, Emily Wife Married 12 years F 31 1880 Hounslow Middlesex
HUNT, Edward Son M 11 1900 Highgate Middlesex
HUNT, Herbert Son M 8 1903 Charlton Kent
HUNT, Leonard Son M 7 1904 West Ham Essex
HUNT, Maud Daughter F 4 1907 East Ham Essex
HUNT, Ivy Daughter F 3 1908 East Ham Essex
HUNT, Frederick Son M 1 1910 East Ham Essex

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Dec 2012 22:59

I would say that this is them in 1901;-

1901 England Census about Edward Hunt
Name: Edward Hunt
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Hunt
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Kent, England
Civil parish: Charlton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Rathmore Street

Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Charlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 562
Folio: 149
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Hunt 24
Emily Hunt 24
Edward Hunt 1
...................................

also 1891:-

1891 England Census about Edwd Springfield Hunt
Name: Edwd Springfield Hunt
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Hunt
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hunt
Gender: Male
Where born: Thurnham (Thornham), Kent, England
Civil parish: Thurnham (Thornham)
Ecclesiastical parish: Thurnham (Thornham)
Town: Thurnham (Thornham)
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: Binbury Farm

Occupation: labourer

Registration district: Hollingbourn
Sub-registration district: Hollingbourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 691
Folio: 108
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hunt 32
Elizabeth Hunt 28
William Edwd Hunt 9
Edwd Springfield Hunt 8
Alfred Geo Hunt 5
Alice Hunt 3
Annie Hunt 1
Charles Hook 17

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 18 Dec 2012 22:59

It's this one though isn't it? Are you sure you mean 1901?


1901 England Census

Name: Edward Hunt bricklayer
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Hunt
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Kent, England

Civil parish: Charlton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Charlton

Edward Hunt 24
Emily Hunt 24
Edward Hunt 1

Jan

ceri

ceri Report 18 Dec 2012 22:56

Hi
Can anyone help me? I will explain further down...

Ivy Marjorie Hunt is my nan...She was born 2nd March 1908 East Ham London...her birth cert shows her parents as Edward Springfield Hunt and Emily Hunt formerly Chilton. Her marriage cert also shows her father as Edward Springfield Hunt... Bricklayer.

Edward Springfield Hunt and Emily Chilton married in 1898...this is the marriage record....which shows they were married at Hollingbourn in Kent

Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chilton Emily Hollingbourn 2a 1509
Hunt Edward Springfield Hollingbourne 2a 1509

This is them on 1911 census at same address as on Ivy's marriage certificate

1911 England Census
about Edward Hunt
Name: Edward Hunt
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Leeds, Kent
Civil parish: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 66 Hockley Avenue, East Ham E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: South East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 338
Piece: 9529
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Hunt 34
Emily Hunt 34
Edward Hunt 11
Herbert Hunt 8
Leonard Hunt 7
Maud Hunt 4
Ivy Hunt 3
Frederick Hunt 1

Im just writing up this info and have discovered ive added 2 different census for Edward in 1901, and now im confused as too which one is him or what im doing...

Can anyone help me?