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Samantha

Samantha Report 19 Dec 2012 16:27

Hi,

I cannot find my great great grandfather William Holmes who was born in "Hants, Eastney".

Born in approx 1873 according the 1901 cenus.

Can anyone help??

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Dec 2012 16:31

So where can't you find him?

And I'm sure you meant to say 'please'........didn't you?

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Dec 2012 16:32

1901 England Census

Name: William Holmes
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Gertrude Holmes
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastney, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 230
Folio: 129
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Holmes 28
Gertrude Holmes 30
Florence G Holmes 3
William J Holmes 6 Months

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Dec 2012 16:33

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: William Holmes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Gertrude Moody
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Jun 1897
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Holmes
Spouse Father Name: William Joseph Moody
Register Type: Parish Register

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Dec 2012 16:34

1881 England Census

Name: William Holmes
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Holmes
Mother's Name: Anne Holmes
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 133 Pembroke St

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 35b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 235
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
John Holmes 45
Anne Holmes 46
John Holmes 20
Richard Holmes 14
Katherine Holmes 12
Arthur Holmes 10
William Holmes 7
Walter Holmes 3
John Elston 28
Joseph Fuices 20
George Hoolson 26

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Dec 2012 16:34

1911 England Census

Name: William Holmes
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Portsmouth
Civil parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: St Marks Hospital, City Road E C
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: BRAKESMAN RAILWAY
Registration district: Holborn
Registration District Number: 14
Sub-registration district: St Luke
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 1271

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Dec 2012 16:35

1911 England Census

Name: Florence Holmes
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 43 Burdett St, Bromley E
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: Poplar
Registration District Number: 22
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Piece: 1712
Household Members:
Name Age
Gertrude Holmes 42
Florence Holmes 13
William Holmes 10
Bertram Holmes 3
E Plain 28

Samantha

Samantha Report 19 Dec 2012 17:27

Hi, Thanks so much.. This is where I was stuck.. Can you help me find him pre 1901 census.. This is all the info I have!

Thanks so much

K

K Report 19 Dec 2012 17:47

Hi Samantha

Reggie has found William in 1881 based on his father named in William's marriage. Eastney is part of Portmouth

Kx

Mike *

Mike * Report 19 Dec 2012 17:56

Reggie has provided the 1881.

Here's the family In 1891 but no William.

John Holmes 55 - railway porter
Ann Holmes 56
Katherine Holmes 22
Arthur Holmes 20

BOARDERS :
William Seaks 36
James Obrian 24
Charles Birch 19
William Parker 18



His brother Walter was in the Royal Hospital School

Samantha

Samantha Report 19 Dec 2012 18:07

Thanks everyone! You've all been fab!

K

K Report 19 Dec 2012 18:20

Father John and his wife were born in Ireland

1881 - full detials

HOLMES, John Head Married M 45 1836 Porter G N Rly
Kilkenny, Ireland VIEW
HOLMES, Anne Wife Married F 46 1835
Limerick, Ireland VIEW
HOLMES, John Son Single M 20 1861
Portsmouth, Hampshire VIEW
HOLMES, Richard Son Single M 14 1867
Portsmouth, Hampshire VIEW
HOLMES, Katherine Daughter Single F 12 1869
Portsmouth, Hampshire VIEW
HOLMES, Arthur Son Single M 10 1871
Portsmouth, Hampshire VIEW
HOLMES, William Son Single M 7 1874
Portsmouth, Hampshire VIEW
HOLMES, Walter Son Single M 3 1878
Islington, Middlesex VIEW
ELSTON, John Boarder Single M 28 1853 Rly Porter
Newton St Cyres, Devon VIEW
FUICES, Joseph Boarder Single M 20 1861 Rly Porter
Lincoln, Middlesex VIEW
HOOLSON, George Boarder Single M 26 1855 Rly Porter
Spilsby, Lincolnshire VIEW

Piece: 235

Folio: 23

Page: 39

Registration District: Islington

Civil Parish: Islington

Municipal Borough:

Address: 133, Pembroke St, Islington

County: London, Middlesex

Samantha

Samantha Report 19 Dec 2012 19:36

How do I find out about John and Anne Holmes?
Where do I find Irish records? I'd like to know her maiden name so I really need the marriage or census in Ireland... Could someone point me in the right direction please?

Thanks!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Dec 2012 19:40

Samantha - you really need to remove the answered tick, people will think you don't need any more help.

Go to your very first post and there should be a button that says something like "mark this as unanswered" - click on that.

The only Irish census available is the 1901 & 1911 and John & Anne were already in England by then.

You'd really need to order one of their children's birth certificates to get Anne's maiden name and we could then look at finding their marriage.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Dec 2012 19:48

According to a tree on Ancestry this would be John and Anne's marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1855
Bartlett George Portsea 2b 546
Gunson Anne Portsea 2b 546 <<
Holmes John Portsea Island 2b 546 <<
Wheeler Emily Portsea Island 2b 546

I must emphasise that you have to take info on trees on Ancestry (or any site, basically) with a pinch of salt if they are not fully sourced and documented.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Dec 2012 19:58

This was the 1871 for the family already found (living in barracks with lots of other families which I haven't listed):

HOLMES, John Head M 35 1836 Ireland Gunner RM Artillery
HOLMES, Ann Wife F 37 1834 Ireland
HOLMES, James Son M 13 1858 Hampshire
HOLMES, John Son M 10 1861 Hampshire
HOLMES, Richard Son M 5 1866 Hampshire
HOLMES, Katherine Daughter F 2 1869 Hampshire
HOLMES, Arthur Son M 0 1871 Hampshire

Piece: 1148 Folio: 63 Page: 11
Registration District: Portsea Island
Civil Parish: Portsea
Municipal Borough: Portsmouth

Address: Royal Marine Artillery Barracks, Eastney, Portsea, Portsmouth
County: Hampshire

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Dec 2012 19:59

1861:

HOLMES, Ann Head Married F 26 1835 Wife Of Bunbardice R M Artillery Limerick, Ireland
HOLMES, James S Son M 3 1858 Portsea, Hampshire
HOLMES, John G Son M 0 (1M) 1861 Portsea, Hampshire

Piece: 644 Folio: 47 Page: 9
Registration District: Portsea Island
Civil Parish: Portsea
Municipal Borough: Portsmouth

Address: 30, Cumberland Road, Portsea, Portsmouth County: Hampshire


and this would be John:

HOLMES, John Married M 26 1835 Gunner Kilmanagh Kilkenny

Piece: 4438 Folio: 72 Page: 13
Registration District: Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Vessel: Charybdis

The ship was positioned Lat 3.28S, Long 86.15, 779 miles from Trincomalee. (Not very good on maps but I think that puts them somewhere around the Bay of Bengal)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Dec 2012 20:48

Bit more on the marriage in 1855:

Ann Gunson, "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "

groom's name: John Holmes
bride's name: Ann Gunson
marriage date: 18 Aug 1855
marriage place: Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England
indexing project (batch) number: M06261-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 919748, 919749, 919750, 919751, 919752, 919753, 919754, 919755
reference number:

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N24R-JZ1

K

K Report 19 Dec 2012 22:35

I wonder if John remarried late in life. They are listed as married 15 years

You may find this interesting http://www.carosfamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I4117&tree=mytree

1911

Name: John Holmes
Age in 1911: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kilmanagh Kilkenny, Ireland
Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Pemberton Terrace, Holloway N
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: NAVAL PENSIONER
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Tufnell
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 786
Household Members:
Name Age
John Holmes 75
Sarah Holmes 65