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Claire
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21 Dec 2012 02:18 |
I have an entire family missing from my family tree in relatively recent history. They were born and registered in Northern Ireland, Strabane.
In the 1911 Census there was, Samuel Gormley 46, Rebecca Gormley (nee Leeper) 37, Elizabeth 0, William John 7, Robert 12, Samuel 4 and Maud 10.
I suspect Robert may have emigrated to America but have found no trace of any of the family beyond marriage records of the parents and births of the children.
Any info gratefully received!!
Thanks
Claire
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K
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21 Dec 2012 05:58 |
There is a tree on Ancestry with the same family. The year they died is given for all the children although no details of their life post 1911 Robert -1946, Maud -1948, William John -1945, Samuel - 1945, Elizabeth - 1960
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21 Dec 2012 06:07 |
Robert?
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Robert Gormley Name: Robert Gormley Arrival Date: 23 Mar 1925 Birth Date: abt 1900 Birth Location: Ireland Birth Location Other: strabane Age: 25 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: Irish Port of Departure: Londonderry Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Cameronia
Listed as a farmer worker and nearest relative listd as mother Rebecca Gormley Urney Strabane, Co Tyrone As his mother is listed as next of kin presumably Samuel died pre this.
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21 Dec 2012 06:11 |
Looks as though he came back (possibly deported based on record) address listed as above
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Robert Gormley Name: Robert Gormley Birth Date: abt 1899 Age: 26 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 13 Apr 1925 Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland Ship Name: Tuscania Search Ship Database: View the 'Tuscania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Anchor Line Official Number: 146307
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Gee
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21 Dec 2012 10:45 |
U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
Name: William John Gormley Birth Place: Ireland Court District: Pennsylvania Date of Action: 31 Oct 1919 Edit: Just found more details on the above and its not your man. The above was born 1896 Wexford Ire
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Catherine
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21 Dec 2012 11:34 |
Some American records show the person's parents names, so here is the birth of Samuel, just in case it helps find a death record for him in America:-
Samuel Gormley, "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"
name: Samuel Gormley gender: Male birth date: 28 Aug 1864 birthplace: 0341,STRABANE DISTRICT,TYRONE,IRELAND
father's name: Robert Gormley
mother's name: Rabecca Holmes indexing project (batch) number: C70123-3 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 101091 reference number: Citing this Record
"Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRWB-2W5 : accessed 21 Dec 2012), Samuel Gormley, 28 Aug 1864; citing reference , FHL microfilm 101091.
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Gee
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21 Dec 2012 12:40 |
It seems we need to be looking in Oz
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: Rebecca Jane Gormley Death Place: Malvern, Victoria Age: 89 Father's Name: Frank Leeper Mother's Name: Matilda Holmes Registration Year: 1961 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 12880 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: Saml Gormley Death Place: Victoria Age: 33 Father's Name: Gormley Sahl Gormley Mother's Name: Resca Lepper Registration Year: 1940 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 8904 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
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Gee
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21 Dec 2012 12:53 |
Just trying to cross match her details to ensure its her in Oz. Looks good
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
Name: Rebecca Leeper Date of Registration: 1876 Registration district: Stranolar Birth Country: Ireland Volume: 7 Page: 394 FHL Film Number: 101053
Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Rebecca Jane Leeper Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896 Registration district: Stranolar Volume: 2 Page: 413 (click to see others on page) FHL Film Number: 101258 Spouse Samuel Gormley
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Gee
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21 Dec 2012 13:07 |
The age is out but I cant find a death in Oz for him. I wonder if the family left for Australia after his death? This would fit with the shipping record K posted earlier...NOK mother and not the father.
So,Rebecca went to Oz after 1925 by the looks of things, this might account for not finding all the children in Australia, they may have married and stayed in Ireland
Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958 Name: Samuel Gormley Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918 Death Age: 47 Registration district: Strabane Death Country: Ireland Volume: 2 Page: 207 FHL Film Number: 0101605 You'd need the death cert to check the details
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Gee
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21 Dec 2012 16:19 |
There is this record, would be fab if someone else can get more details on it
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: Robert Gormley Death Date: 26 Jul 1951 Death Place: South Australia Registration Year: 1951-1955 Registration Place: South Australia Page Number: 4017 Volume Number: 771 He appears on the ER, listed as a labourer
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Claire
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21 Dec 2012 21:12 |
Thank you very much for all of this. Looks like most of these are the ones I was looking for. The age is off for Samuel's death in Ireland but my DOB comes from church records not civil so that could be where the difference comes from.
I can't find any record of Robert, Rebecca or Samuel being on passenger lists to Australia......is this normal?
The other Samuel who went to America is from another line of the family that I have already traced.
I have contacted the owner of the tree on ancestry to see if they can give some more details regarding the family.
As you all have been so helpful and are obviously much more experienced than I am at this......do you have any suggestions for filling in gaps in Irish family trees further back. I basically used the church records to go back as far as I could as well as the death records but ran out of records!
Thanks again
Claire
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Gee
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22 Dec 2012 09:22 |
There is this death, again you would need the certificate to check the details
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: Robert Gormley Death Date: 26 Jul 1951 Death Place: South Australia Registration Year: 1951-1955 Registration Place: South Australia Page Number: 4017 Volume Number: 771
I can only find shipping records up to 1922 for NSW, maybe someone else has more knowledge?
You can search here for Irish and Oz records
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/
http://trove.nla.gov.au/
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Chris Ho :)
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22 Dec 2012 10:38 |
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 (Find My Past)
Name: Mr S GORMLEY Date of departure: 5 March 1927 Port of departure: London Passenger destination port: Melbourne, Australia Passenger destination: Melbourne, Australia Date of Birth: 1907 (calculated from age) Age: 20 Marital status: Sex: Male Occupation: Farmer Passenger recorded on: Page 13 of 39 Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: ORAMA 146024 Capt W S Shelford Orient Australia 26393 11942 1349
(last address given as, Clady, Urney, Strabane, Co. Tyrone)
Name: Robert GORMLEY Date of departure: 11 November 1926 Port of departure: London Passenger destination port: Adelaide, Australia Passenger destination: Adelaide, Australia Date of Birth: 1899 (calculated from age) Age: 27 Marital status: Sex: Male Occupation: Farmer Passenger recorded on: Page 9 of 37 Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: BENDIGO 145603 Captain R C Nicholl P. & O. Australia Via The Cape Service Australia 28056 7925 1145
(last address given as, Urney, Strabane, Co. Tyrone)
(not seeing Rebecca)
Chris :)
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Cherilyn
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23 Dec 2012 04:24 |
Sadly no death notices for any of these but I found Robert's burial at Enfield Cemetery in SA at www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
He was 53 and his last abode was Prospect SA.
Do you know if daughter Elizabeth also came to Oz?
There is a death for Elizabeth GEORGE nee GORMLEY, parents not stated, aged 51 in 1962. She died in Burwood, Victoria (reg 16276). Maybe she was already married when she arrived?
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Cherilyn
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23 Dec 2012 04:33 |
www.fcmp.com.au/index.asp?page=deceasedstandard.asp
Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Samuel Gormley aged 33 are located at Presbyterian Compartment E Grave 1901.
Within this location you will find:- Surname Given Names Service Date GORMLEY Rebecca J 25/07/1961 GORMLEY Samuel 7/09/1940
Other Gormley burials in same cemetery are in the Roman Catholic area (or cremations).
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Cherilyn
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23 Dec 2012 04:36 |
smct.org.au/
Cemetery SPRINGVALE BOTANICAL CEMETERY Given Names ELIZABETH Surname GEORGE Religion NONE
Date of Service 8/08/1962
Burial Type BURIED Location Details CHURCH OF ENGLAND, MONUMENTAL, COMPARTMENT O SECTION 14 GRAVE 39 Public Grave Y/N N Tenure Date IN PERPETUITY - FOR ALL TIME
No one in same grave but may be alongside. You can request more info (if you think this is the right person!) at deceasedsearch.com/modules.php?mod=Form_to_Email&id=6955321
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Cherilyn
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30 Dec 2012 03:43 |
nudge
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Claire
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15 Jan 2013 02:43 |
Thanks Cherilyn, I have just checked this website and requested more info. I suspect this is the correct person as someone else with family knowledge said that Elizabeth married a Mr George.
Maud apparently married a Mr Henderson. More details (if anyone can get them) would be gratefully received!!
Family talk frm my side says that the whole family emigrated and left a disabled child in Ireland. I'm starting to think this was William as he is the only one I haven't managed to get details for as yet.
I have a wedding in Ireland later on in the Spring so I pan to go to the births, deaths & marriages office to see if I can find him. I plan to go to PRONI at the same time. If anyone is needing info from NI that they can't get on-line, let me know and I'll see what I can do when I'm there
Cheers
Claire
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Claire
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15 Jan 2013 02:44 |
Sorry, forgot tick the box!
Claire
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