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Gee

Gee Report 23 Dec 2012 16:24

That census for Fred, ties in with the one I posted for Emily.

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 16:18

Could this be Frederick on 1911 census transcribed as Clifton ?
On Familysearch it is transcribed as Chilton?

1911 England Census about Frederick Clifton
Name: Frederick Clifton
Age in 1911: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: HESTON, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Royal Naval Place, New Cross SE
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: LABOURER GENERAL
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Deptford East
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 2631
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Clifton 66

EDIT: that death for Emily looks possible too, and looking at the images of the 2 1911 census one says married for 46 years the other 47 years, one 11 children one 10 children, one 3 children died, one 2 children died ...i think they sound close enough and that either one of them lost count lol

Gee

Gee Report 23 Dec 2012 16:17

1911 England Census

Name: Emily Chilton
Age in 1911: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation to Head: Nurse
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 121 Napier Street, Deptford SE
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 47
Estimated Marriage Year: 1864
Occupation: SICK NURSE
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Deptford East
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 2630
Household Members: Name Age
James France Cole 41
Gertrude Cole 31
Horrace Cole 1
Cole 0
Emily Chilton 65
Ida Cole 0


brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 16:11

Not sure if it is a help, or just muddying the waters even more, but the above William along with his brothers Walter & George is in Brentford Union Workhouse in 1871.
I have a feeling in me waters about these people, but just can't quite pin them down! The Emily in the 1861 would be their cousin obviously.
Jan

Gee

Gee Report 23 Dec 2012 16:10

Is this Emily' death


Deaths Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Chilton Emily E 73 Greenwich 1d 1000

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 16:03

Im not sure who the William Wright is at present he is old enough to be a younger brother of Emily's, but not too sure whether it might be coincedence or a cousin or something (Only if that is Emily's brother it would mean another with his mum maiden name and therefore no father 14 years after Emily was born?)

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 15:56

Who is this - do you think it's just co-incidental or maybe a rellie??? He is possibly the William on the census I put earlier, but the Emily on there has an incorrect birth year.


1881 England Census

Name: William Wright
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Heston
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Wellington Lane East 2 Castle Place

Occupation: Builders Lab

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth

Frederick Chilton 37
Emily Chilton 36
Louisa Chilton 15
Frederick Chilton 13
Amelia Chilton 11
Walter Chilton 9
Ada Chilton 7
Emily Chilton 5
Arthur Chilton 3
Herbert Chilton 1
William Wright 22

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 15:54

This is them in 1901
1901 England Census about Emily Chilton
Name: Emily Chilton
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick Chilton
Gender: Female
Where born: Hounslow, London, England
Civil parish: Tooting Graveney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Tooting Graveney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 138a
Piece: 470
Folio: 43
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Chilton 56
Emily Chilton 56
Walter Chilton 27

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 15:52

I can't even see them 1901!!

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 15:47

That does look promising, listed as grandaughter...

i currently cant find frederick or emily on the 1911 census to see if there are any extra family members on there, yet the death i believe to be correct for frederick isnt until 1920. Nightmare!!

Edit: I think it looks like a line rather than a 1 and a 5 but dont know if im just wishful thinking?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 15:35

Hang on - am going to put again.

Could the '1' in 15 be a line?? I am speculating that Mary (unmarried) might be her mother.

She does put Heston as birthplace on at least one census after marriage.

1851 England Census

Name: Emely Wright
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Heston
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Hounslow
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a

Mary A Wright 56 b. Canterbury
Mary Wright 33 b. Canterbury
Emely Wright 15


ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 15:33

Lol Gins...no dont think doctors daughter would marry labourer and a doctor in my family?? lol i wouldnt of thought so

Looking through others family trees on ancestry some have Emily's middle name as Elizabeth also, however i can not see anything so far that confirms this?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 15:32

All been there Gins!

I am really doubtful about that Harrington family, don't know about you. I posted another census for an Emely Wright in Hounslow but quickly removed it as age so far out (um, 10 years!!), but a shame as it looked so promising. Tried hard to make age 5 not 15 but no joy!

Jan

Gee

Gee Report 23 Dec 2012 15:23

Oh gawed.......re death/birth post Jan!


I think Fred is a labourer on the marriage to Emily. John Wright (Who I thought might have been Emily' father) b 1802c is a doctor, I cant imagine a doctors daughter marrying a labourer?

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 15:09

Frederick and Emily's daughter was Emily Elizabeth Chilton but i dont know if the mother Emily who married Frederick had a middle name?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 14:59

I'm throwing this in as another possibility - hope it isn't here already and I a having a grey moment!!

EDIT apologies, age too far out I think.

Hounslow being the link.


1861 England Census

Name: Emily Wright
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Hounslow
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth

Mary Ann Wright 40
Sophia Eliz Wright 34
Walter Wright 4
William G Wright 3
George Wright 4 Months
Emily Wright 20
Ellen Eldridge 19
Ellen M Eldridge 11

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 14:48

I'm not sure about this Harrington family, especially as the one we are looking for doesn't have a middle name on the marriage cert - what do others think? A family tree has them, and obviously they might be mistaken, but they have this Emily Jane here in 1871, when ours is already married. Her sister is Mary Georgiana Wright according to them, and I suspect they are correct:

Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
Bankes William Greenwich 1d 941
Waterman Elizabeth Jane Greenwich 1d 941
Wright Mary Georgiana Greenwich 1d 941
Yule Henry Greenwich 1d 941


1871 England Census

Name: Mily Jane Knight
[Emily Jane Wright]
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Runcorn and Weston
Ecclesiastical parish: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Runcorn

William Bankes 39
Mary G Bankes 28
William H Bankes 9
Mary G Bankes 8
Beatrice E Bankes 8
John E C Bankes 2
Hanley Bankes 1 Month
Mily Jane Knight 27
Thomas Bankes 35
Ellen Judon 17
Margaret Williams 20

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 14:38

Gins, can I just check something? You have referred to mother's possible death a few posts back, but actually have put a birth - have you missed death ref. off in error?
jan :-)

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 14:37

Not sure if the above is her?
This is her on the 1871 census

1871 England Census
about Emily Chilton
Name:Emily Chilton
Age:25
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Frederick Chilton
Gender:Female
Where born:Heston, Middlesex, England
Civil parish:Heston
Ecclesiastical parish:St Paul
Town:Hounslow
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Registration district:Brentford
Sub-registration district:Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel:14
Household schedule number:245
Piece:1314
Folio:24
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Chilton 26
Emily Chilton 25
Louisa Chilton 5
Frederick Chilton 3
Ellen Chilton 5 Months

And this is her on 1881 Census
1881 Census
1881 England Census about Emily Chilton
Name: Emily Chilton
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick Chilton
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Heston
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Wellington Lane East 2 Castle Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1339
Folio: 118
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Chilton 37
Emily Chilton 36
Louisa Chilton 15
Frederick Chilton 13
Amelia Chilton 11
Walter Chilton 9
Ada Chilton 7
Emily Chilton 5
Arthur Chilton 3
Herbert Chilton 1
William Wright 22 Boarder

Gee

Gee Report 23 Dec 2012 13:31

Sibling to Emily?


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Harrington Wright
Name: John Harrington Wright
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1841
Father's Name: John Wright
Mother's Name: Georgiana Jane Wright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St Margaret
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript