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David
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28 Jan 2013 23:16 |
Thank you Ozibird, but i'm not quite sure if it is?
In the 1891 census she reveals her name as Alice Rose, and the Alice you have identified is Alice Louisa Boyce, Jul-Aug-Sep 1855, South Stoneham.
Alice Rose Stone (nee boyce) youngest daughter was also named Rose, which would lead me to believe her middle name was Rose.
In each census she revealed her birth location as Marchwood which I beleive would come under the New Forest?
However the Alice you have indentified would be living in the same area, same age etc. Perhaps it was coincidence or Alice changed her middle name?
Thanks again for your help :-)
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13 Jan 2013 22:28 |
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1861 England Census Name: Alice Boyce Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Boyce Mother's Name: Mary Boyce Gender: Female Where born: Southampton Millbrook, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Millbrook Ecclesiastical parish: Shirley County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: 3 Medina Place Occupation: Scholar Registration district: South Stoneham Sub-registration district: Millbrook Piece: 683 Folio: 17 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age George Boyce 30 Mary Boyce 32 George Boyce 8 Alice Boyce 5 Ellen Boyce 3 Eliza Boyce 8 Months
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alviegal
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13 Jan 2013 21:59 |
Thanks for the update David.
I've also had a look for a marriage but no luck. This is a tough one to crack.
Hope you have more luck with finding Caroline's grave.
Liz x
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David
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13 Jan 2013 20:53 |
Thank you Alviegal & Christina. Just to update I have received the birth certificate of Caroline Stone 1892 and all the details match. Furthermore under surname of mother is says Alice Stone formerly Boyce.
I am still unable to find a marriage record for Edward Stone & Alice Boyce between 1879 and 1883, but I’m glad I finally have a name to put next to her.
I am going to try locate Caroline Stones grave, however if these reveals no more information regarding the Waterhouse saga I may order the 1939 NI record so thank you Christina.
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Christina(Lancashire)
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7 Jan 2013 21:57 |
There wasn't a census in 1941 due to WW2.
There was, however, the National Identity Card in 1939. Details from these are available now (for a fee of £42) relating to individuals who have died.
Basic facts about the 1939 National Identity Card
Taken on the night of Friday 29th September 1939.
Details recorded for each person were:
Residence Name Sex Date of birth Marital status Occupation If member of armed forces or reserves
http://www.1911census.org.uk/1939.htm
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alviegal
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7 Jan 2013 13:22 |
I hope you're prepared for a long wait David! 1941 won't be released until 2041. :-D :-D
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David
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6 Jan 2013 21:38 |
Also I checked with my Nan regarding Waterhouse and she seems to remember she had a boyfriend in her later years which may have been called Arthur Waterhouse. When the 1941 census gets released I will hopefully know!
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David
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6 Jan 2013 21:35 |
Thank you Alviegal I ordered the 1895 certificate as it seemed to be the closest match in age, and as her mother was Alice it seemed to match. I shall order the 1892 one however it would mean her age on her death certificate and the census results would be incorrect?
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alviegal
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2 Jan 2013 00:00 |
This seems to be the death of the second one.
Civil Registration event: Death Print Close Name: STONE, Caroline Alice Registration district: South Stoneham County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1896 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 1 Volume no: 2C Page no: 39
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alviegal
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1 Jan 2013 23:53 |
Would this not be her birth?
Civil Registration event: Birth Print Close Name: STONE, Caroline Registration district: South Stoneham County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1892 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 2C Page no: 73
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Civil Registration event: Birth Print Close Name: STONE, Caroline Alice Registration district: South Stoneham County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1895 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 2C Page no: 78
Which one did you order?
Perhaps she was known as Carrie Waterhouse in later life. Did she live with a Mr Waterhouse possibly? Or maybe she had another reason to have an alias.
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David
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1 Jan 2013 23:22 |
Hi all thank you for your help.
I have received Caroline deaths certificate today which has my grandfather Ronald Stone as the informant. It would put her birth as 1894 but the shocker is her name is listed as Carrie Waterhouse otherwise Caroline Stone.
I have put a link below to a scan of the certificate: http://oi48.tinypic.com/5xlm3s.jpg
Of course the birth certificate I ordered is the incorrect one, but I can’t find a Caroline Stone or Carrie Waterhouse born in 1894. There is however a Caroline Stone born in 1892?
I also can’t find a marriage certificate, and everyone in the family is certain she never married. In the census records she is only referred to as Carrie in the 1901 census but as Carrie Stone. Is it possible she was adopted?
Thanks :-)
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Ozibird
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27 Dec 2012 02:14 |
Deaths Sep 1881 Stone Sarah Jane 31 S.Stoneham 2c 42
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David
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27 Dec 2012 00:39 |
Thank you once again.
I believe they were married as Alice Stone was on my grandfathers (Caroline Stone's son) birth certificate. Also it stated married/widowed in each census and mentioned Edward was from Winchester and Alice was from Marchwood.
The certificates should be delivered imminently however I assume they have been held up due to the christmas post.
I did feel it was unusual he was still having kids at 56 but if he had re-married this would make more sense.
Thanks
David
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alviegal
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27 Dec 2012 00:20 |
There was another Edward Stone, born Portland, Dorset, 1850 who married an Alice, so that is possibly the marriage that you found.
The only other marriage I can find is Edward Stone & Alice Stone - 7 Aug 1879 St. John's, Portland, Dorset, England but there are no other details.
Maybe your Edward and Alice did not marry. I think you need to wait until you receive Caroline's birth certificate.
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David
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27 Dec 2012 00:11 |
Thank you both for your help, it's looking very possible that he remarried. Sarah Jane would have died when Bessie was aged just three. Would it be plausible that he re-married and had a another child with a Alice in just under a year though?
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alviegal
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27 Dec 2012 00:01 |
?? England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Jane Stone Name: Sarah Jane Stone Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881 Age at Death: 31 Registration district: South Stoneham Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 42
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David
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26 Dec 2012 23:59 |
Thank you alviegal, now im wondering if he married Sarah Jane Mills had Bessie Stone and then re-married a Alice??? - very confused.
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26 Dec 2012 23:59 |
this looks good as it has the full name - Edward William Stone
Charle Henry Stone England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 03 Oct 1875 SHIRLEY BY SOUTHAMPTON,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND parents: Edward William Stone,? Sarah Jane
name: Charle Henry Stone gender: Male baptism/christening date: 03 Oct 1875 baptism/christening place: SHIRLEY BY SOUTHAMPTON,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND father's name: Edward William Stone mother's name: Sarah Jane indexing project (batch) number: C13758-2 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 1041745
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David
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26 Dec 2012 23:55 |
Thank you Ann, your information confirms my suspicions that he was Edward William Stone. His grandson Edward John Stone had noted down his name was Edward John Stone and that he was in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps??
It would mean his mum is also likely to be Mary Ann Ligh/Light which I had noted down somewhere. Now to find out Edwards wife’s maiden name. I’m hoping it’s just a typo and I have found the correct marriage record.
Any more help would be much appreciated. :-)
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alviegal
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26 Dec 2012 23:54 |
1881 census transcription details for: 108, Pound St, Millbrook Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 1221 Folio: 73 Page: 25 Reg. District: South Stoneham Sub District: Millbrook Parish: Millbrook Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 108, Pound St, Millbrook County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born GRITT, James Head Married M 42 1839 Brick Lab Eling Netley, Hampshire GRITT, Kate Wife Married F 48 1833 Basset STONE, Edward Lodger Head Married M 36 1845 Gen Lab Winchester, Hampshire >>STONE, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 31 1850 Bridport, Dorset STONE, Bessie Emily Daughter Single F 2 1879 Shirley, Hampshire
1891 census transcription details for: 28, Russell Terrace, Millbrook, Freemantle Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 928 Folio: 69 Page: 10 Reg. District: South Stoneham Sub District: Millbrook Parish: Millbrook Enum. District: 11 Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch Freemantle City/Municipal Borough: Address: 28, Russell Terrace, Millbrook, Freemantle County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born STONE, Edward Head Married M 46 1845 General Labourer Winchester, Hampshire >>STONE, Alice Rose Wife Married F 31 1860 Marchwood, Hampshire STONE, Bessie Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Shirley, Hampshire STONE, Mary Daughter F 5 1886 Freemantle, Hampshire STONE, Ethel Daughter F 2 1889 Freemantle, Hampshire
So Sarah probably died sometime inbetween.
1901 census transcription details for: 64, Pound Street, Shirley Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1073 Folio: 18 Page: 27 Reg. District: South Stoneham Sub District: Millbrook Parish: Shirley Enum. District: 12 Ecclesiastical District: Shirley St James City/Municipal Borough: Address: 64, Pound Street, Shirley County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born STONE, Edward Head Married M 56 1845 Bricklayers Labourer Winchester STONE, Alice Wife F 43 1858 Marchwood, Hampshire STONE, Ethel Daughter F 12 1889 Freemantle Soton STONE, Carrie Daughter F 8 1893 Freemantle STONE, Rose Daughter F 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Freemantle
1911 census transcription details for: 64 Pound Street Shirley Southampton Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN5995 RG78PN274 RD99 SD2 ED7 SN208 Reg. District: Southampton Sub District: Southampton Western Parish: Shirley Enum. District: 7 Address: 64 Pound Street Shirley Southampton County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born STONE, Alice Head Widow F 52 1859 Not Any Shirley Hampshire STONE, Caroline Daughter Singel F 17 1894 Shirley Hampshire STONE, Rose Daughter Singel F 12 1899 Shirley Hampshire CHANDLER, Percy Son In Law Married M 36 1875 French Polisher Shirley Hampshire CHANDLER, Mary Daughter Married 4 years F 22 1889 Shirley Hampshire CHANDLER, Helen Daughter F 3 1908 Shirley Hampshire
Under Years Married, 23 has been written and scored out. 8 children had been born but only 3 were still living had also been scored out.
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