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Hi Andy

Thanks so much. I couldn't make head nor tail of the address.

Yvonne

Address looks like Solway Street to me

The family name is Gorsuch, but appears in several variations.

Andy

Can someone please look at the 1871 census for Isaac Ireland. He is shown as a widower lodging with what looks like a Gosuch family. I'm trying to decipher the address - took me forever to decipher the fact he was a widower. Maybe other eyes are better than mine.

Thanks
Yvonne

Thank you all so much. I've looked at all the information and I think it definitely looks as though Isaac and Hannah are the parents. I didn't know that girls actually worked as servants at such an early age, so it looks as though Martha was definitely out of the house.

You people never cease to amaze me.

Thanks again.
Yvonne

1861 England Census
about Mary H Leach
Name: Mary H Leach
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Martha Leach
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 53
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 445
Piece: 2658
Folio: 41
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Leach 30 SEAMANS WIFE*********************
Mary H Leach 6
Sarah E Leach 1

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Hannah Leach
Name: Mary Hannah Leach
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1855
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 400

Joseph and Martha's first daughter was mary Hannah Leach so I should thin the parents are Issac and Hannah.

Census 1851:

Address: St Oswald Street, West Derby County: Lancashire

IRELAND, Isaac Head Married M 49 1802 Rope Maker Dunceon, Lancashire
IRELAND, Hannah Wife Married F 48 1803 Chester, Cheshire
IRELAND, John Son Unmarried M 22 1829 Boot And Shoe Maker
Liverpool, Lancashire
IRELAND, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Scholar
West Derby, Lancashire
IRELAND, James Son M 9 1842 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire
IRELAND, Mary Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire
IRELAND, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire

and in 1841:

Name: Isaac Ireland
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Walton On The Hill
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 520
Book: 9
Folio: 44
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Ireland 35
Hannah Ireland 35
John Ireland 13
Rebecca Ireland 8
Jane Ireland 5
Hannah Ireland 3

Isaac a roper by occupation. All born in county except for Hannah aged 35.

Witnesses John and Ellen Ireland match the names of two of Isaac and Hannah's children, and Vera and MelFG have previously located and posted Martha with Ellen in census 1841.

Marriage: 11 Aug 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Isaac Ireland - Rope-maker of this Parish <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hannah Lloyd - (X), Spinster of this Parish
Witness: Edward Hales; Peter Poole
Married by Licence by: John Pulford, B. D. Curate
Register: Marriages 1825 - 1827, Page 6, Entry 18
Source: LDS Film 93918

Thank you all for this - I will digest and get back to you.

Yvonne

name: Hannah Ireland
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 25 Mar 1838
baptism/christening place: St James, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Isaac Ireland
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16131-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1468981 IT 1
reference number:


A second daur called Jane ? - previous one baptised 1835:


name: Jane Ireland
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 31 Jul 1836
baptism/christening place: St James, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Isaac Ireland
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16131-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1468981 IT 1
reference number:

I looked at the 1861 and 1871 census and place of birth is given as Liverpool, so that doesn't really help.

As to the John and Ellen on the marriage certificate, I did try looking to see if there was a marriage or if they were just brother and sister. There are several marriages that could work, so that didn't really help.

Everything seems to point to Isaac and Hannah but I just can't be sure.

Thanks
Yvonne

name: Jane Ireland
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1835
baptism/christening place: ST. JAMES, LIVERPOOL, LANCS, ENG
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Isaac Ireland
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16131-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1468980
reference number: - 2:2Q9MZVH

name: Rebecca Ireland
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1833
baptism/christening place: ST. JAMES, LIVERPOOL, LANCS, ENG
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Isaac Ireland
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16131-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1468980
reference number: - 2:2Q9MQGS

name: John Ireland
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 1828
baptism/christening place: ST. JAMES, LIVERPOOL, LANCS, ENG.
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Isaac Ireland
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16131-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1468980
reference number: - 2:2Q9LXV6

name: William Ireland
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 1831
baptism/christening place: ST. JAMES, LIVERPOOL, LANCS, ENG
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Isaac Ireland
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16131-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1468980
reference number: - 2:2Q9MH0P

1841 England Census
about Martha Ireland
Name: Martha Ireland
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Walton On The Hill
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 520
Book: 2
Folio: 30
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Rockliff 5
Jane Rockliff 70
Elizabeth Bretherton 40
Daniel Bretherton 1
Ellen Ireland 15 ****************
Martha Ireland 12 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Both down as Female servants.

1851??

1851 England Census
about Martha Ireland
Name: Martha Ireland
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Visitor
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 1ap
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 2188
Folio: 25
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
John Lee 30
Sarah Lee 24
Thomas S Lee 2
Susannah Lee 3 Mo
>>>>>Martha Ireland 21


Andy

Martha and Ellen were both female servants on the 1841 that Vera has posted.

Girls could be put into service from around 10 so that would be why Martha isn't showing with her family on any census.

Ellen Ireland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 1826 ST.JAMES,? LIVERPOOL,? LANCS,? ENG.
residence: Liverpool,? Lancashire,? England
parents: Isaac Ireland,? Hannah



1841
Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
ROCKLIFF, Francis M 75 1766 Lancashire VIEW
ROCKLIFF, Jane F 70 1771 Lancashire VIEW
BRETHERTON, Elizabeth F 40 1801 Lancashire VIEW
BRETHERTON, Daniel M 1 1840 Lancashire VIEW
>>>>>IRELAND, Ellen F 15 1826 Lancashire VIEW
>>>>>>IRELAND, Martha F 12 1829 Lancashire VIEW


Regards Vera

Is this a sibling of Martha's?

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: John Ireland
Birth Year: abt 1828
Age: 26
Marriage Date: 23 Mar 1854
Parish: Edge Hill St Mary
Spouse's Name: Hannah Crosby
Father's Name: Isaac Ireland
Spouse Father's Name: James Crosby

This father Isaac is a ropemaker