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Bernie
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1 Jan 2013 13:27 |
Hi I am doing research for my local web site on serving soldiers from both wars. On the Roll of Honour site there is an Ernest Woodcraft listed but with no information. I beleive him to be born c1897 in Eaton Bray Beds the son of John and Elizabeth Woodcraft and brother of Harry who was killed in action in 1917. The only other record I can find is from the absent voters list of 1918. Listed as:
Woodcraft , Ernest of Bower Lane Eaton Bray 276146 80 BGW co CME Works RE.
Does anyone know what the initials stand for please. Thank you Bernie
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AnnCardiff
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1 Jan 2013 13:31 |
the ME could be Mechanical Engineers?
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1 Jan 2013 13:32 |
Ernest Woodcraft England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1897 Eaton Bray,? Bedfordshire census: 31 Mar 1901 Eaton Bray,? Bedfordshire,? England name: Ernest Woodcraft event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Male age: 4 relationship to head of household: Son birthplace: Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire record type: Household registration district: Leighton Buzzard sub-district: Edlesborough ecclesiastical parish: Eaton Bray St Mary The Virgin civil parish: Eaton Bray county: Bedfordshire
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AnnCardiff
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1 Jan 2013 13:33 |
Ernest Woodcroft England and Wales Census, 1911 birth: Eaton Bray,? Bedfordshire census: 1911 Hemel Hempstead,? Hemel Hempstead,? Hertfordshire,? England name: Ernest Woodcroft event: Census event date: 1911 gender: Male age: 14 birthplace: Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire record type: Household registration district: Hemel Hempstead sub-district: Hemel Hempstead parish: Hemel Hempstead county: Hertfordshire
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MargaretM
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1 Jan 2013 13:33 |
The CME that I know is Canadian Military Engineers but I doubt that's what it is in this case.
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Bernie
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1 Jan 2013 13:33 |
Thats the one Ann
1911 boarding in Hemel age 14 working in the Print
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AnnCardiff
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1 Jan 2013 13:36 |
CME - Chief Mechanical Engineer
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AnnCardiff
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1 Jan 2013 13:37 |
RE - Royal Engineers?????
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Bernie
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1 Jan 2013 13:39 |
Hi Ann
Think your right on Royal Engineers.
Hi Margee
Thank you
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AnnCardiff
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1 Jan 2013 13:42 |
BGW - Battlefield Guided Weapon
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Bernie
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1 Jan 2013 13:45 |
Could it have anything to do with the mines?
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AnnCardiff
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1 Jan 2013 13:46 |
well there are lots of sites giving military acronym definitions and that's the only one for BGW
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Bernie
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1 Jan 2013 13:55 |
So at the moment we have
Battlefield Guided Weapons Co CME Works Royal Engineers.
Sounds good so far.
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AnnCardiff
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1 Jan 2013 14:57 |
CME -
command, communicaton, combat, chemical, core, combat maneouvre, civil military, combat mobility
CMLS is Conventional mine laying system
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Charlotte
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5 Jan 2013 00:17 |
Bernie,
Not about the initials. Found baptism of Ernest on Family Tree at familysearch.org. Was 2 May 1897 and his birth was registered in 1896. Parents' marriage John Woodcraft to Lizzie Fountain Eaton Bray 2 Nov 1878
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Bernie
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5 Jan 2013 08:03 |
Thank you Ann Thank you Charlotte
Still don't know what the initials are but had some info from Beds Records Office saying that Ernest was on the casuality list in the St Albans Dioceson area for Eaton Bray serving with the 42nd Highlanders (The Black Watch). Found a Medal Card on Ancestry for an Ernest WOODCROFT which fits also a record on CWGC site for same with 27/12/1918 as date of death. Sounds like an accident or maybe Spanish Flu which maybe why there is no info on Roll of Honour site.
Bernie
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Bernie
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5 Jan 2013 08:24 |
Sorry
Medal Card also shows he served with the Gloucestershire Regiment and the Royal Engineers.
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Chris Ho :)
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5 Jan 2013 10:05 |
1911 STONE, John Finch Head Married M 51 1860 Carman Northallbucks STONE, Mary Wife Married31 years F 51 1860 House Duties Eaton Bray Beds STONE, Richard Son Single M 22 1889 Carman Northall Bucks STONE, Elsie Mary Daughter Single F 19 1892 Mill Hand (Hand Gumming) Fleet Marston Bucks CRIPPS, Ethel Maud Boarder Single F 19 1892 Mill Hand (Card Dept.) Eaton Bray Beds WOODCROFT, Ernest Boarder Single M 14 1897 Mill Hand (Printer) Eaton Bray Beds RG number: RG14 Piece: 7741 Reference: RG14PN7741 RG78PN383 RD141 SD1 ED2 SN194 Registration District: Hemel Hempstead Sub District: Hemel Hempstead Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Hemel Hempstead Address: 1 Bridge St Hemel Hempstead County: Hertfordshire
(looks like work was to do with Paper Mill?)
Chris :)
(or could initials be to do with anything Railway?)
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Chris Ho :)
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5 Jan 2013 10:29 |
First name(s): Harry Last name: WOODCRAFT Calculated year of birth: 1887 Parish of birth: Eaton Bray Town of birth: Dunstable County of birth: Bedfordshire Age at attestation: 17 years 2 months Attestation date: 14 December 1904 Attestation corps: 3RD BEDFORD REGT Attestation soldier number: 5154 Discharge rank: Discharge corps: Bedfordshire Regiment - 16th Foot Discharge soldier number: The National Archives reference: WO96 / 338 / 244
(Ernest listed as younger brother, George older, of above, Bowers Lane, Eaton Bray, parents John and Elizabeth)
Chris :)
1901 WOODCRAFT, John Head Married M 54 1847 Quarryman Limeworke Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire WOODCRAFT, Elizabeth Wife Married F 48 1853 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire WOODCRAFT, Harry Son Single M 12 1889 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire WOODCRAFT, Alice Daughter Single F 10 1891 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire WOODCRAFT, Ernest Son Single M 4 1897 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire Piece: 1511 Folio: 46 Page: 12 Registration District: Leighton Buzzard Civil Parish: Eaton Bray Municipal Borough: Address: Bower Lane, Eaton Bray County: Bedfordshire
1891 WOODCRAFT, John Head Married M 35 1846 Straw Cutter (Plait) Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire WOODCRAFT, Lizzie Wife Married F 29 1852 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire WOODCRAFT, George Son Single M 2 1879 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire WOODCRAFT, Harry Son Single M 0 1881 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Martin Boarder Widower M 50 1831 Straw Cutter (Plait) Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire Piece: 1645 Folio: 68 Page: 22 Registration District: Leighton Buzzard Civil Parish: Eaton-Bray Municipal Borough: Address: 12, Victoria Ter, Eaton-Bray County: Bedfordshire
Name: WOODCROFT, Ernest Unit:Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) Rank:Private Number:313015 Year: 1918 Volume : I.1 Page: 346 Record source: GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to
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Bernie
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5 Jan 2013 11:36 |
Hi Chris and Thank you
So brother Harry joined the Beds in 1904. Does it state when he left the army please as in 1911 he is at home with the family working on a farm.
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