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Tracing a soldier who joined the army in 1919.

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Gillian

Gillian Report 3 Jan 2013 14:03

Can anyone out there help me please? I believe my great uncle Henry (Harry) Coulson joined the army in 1919. I believe he was posted to India and contracted a disease. He was sent to a hospital in London and died. His mother died in 1921 and she visited him in hospital before she died. I have no knowledge of the date of his death or where he was buried. I think he may have joined the 15th (The King's) Hussars. I have two photos of him.
Has anyone any advise as to where to start looking. All military records that I have searched so far only show details of soldiers who served between 1914 and 1918.
Regards
Gillian

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Jan 2013 14:05

Hello Gillian, where and when was he born?

Was he married?

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George_of_Westbury

George_of_Westbury Report 3 Jan 2013 14:52

It could well be if he still serving in the military after 1920 his records will still be held by the MOD, in this case there will be nothing in the public domain.

However these records can be obtained by the NOK but they have to be applied for, they will cost £30-00 and can take 9 months to receive them.

Have a read through the info on this link.

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/army.html

George

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Gillian

Gillian Report 4 Jan 2013 13:17

Marie-Celeste

thank you for your reply. I have my gret uncles birth certificate - he was born in Leeds in July 1901. He wasn't married. I have no information about him after he was a patient in london hospital. Family stories say that he died in themhospital. I do not have the year of his admiitance into hospital nor the date of his death but I have tried to find a death in the records although it is difficult with such little information.

Regards

Gillian

Gillian

Gillian Report 4 Jan 2013 13:25

George – thank you for your reply.
I have been on the site you mentioned and will apply for details of my great uncles records. However, I have 3 aunts who are next of kin and unfortunately they are all very old and infirm and would not be able to write permission for me. Under those circumstances do you think I would be able to write as next of kin if I explained the situation?

Kind regards

Gillian

Vera

Vera Report 4 Jan 2013 13:30

My Mum is still alive, but she is in her 90's, I didn't need her permission when I sent for my fathers service records., I just put my relationship and was sent the records,


Regards Vera

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Jan 2013 13:40

How reliable are the family stories do you think?
Have you got his actual birth date, on the off-chance he lived a longer life and obliged us by dying 1969-2006!! Worth eliminating the possibility, unless your info is pretty solid obviously.
Jan

Gillian

Gillian Report 4 Jan 2013 13:41

Thanks Vera

I will do what you did and just put me down.

Kind regards

Gillian

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Jan 2013 13:44

Have you considered this one?

Name: Harry Coulson
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1925
Age at Death: 23
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1291

Jan

Vera

Vera Report 4 Jan 2013 13:45

Gillian,
What were his parents names please?

Regards Vera

Gillian

Gillian Report 4 Jan 2013 13:46

Thanks Jan

thanks for looking but it's not him. He was born 09.07.1901 in the district of Bramley in Leeds. Co-incidentally he was known as Harry but was Henry on the birth certifcate. When I've tried to find him I've used both names ie Henry and Harry just in case. I have looked at deaths up to 1979 just in case he did die later but it's difficult to know where he may have lived if he did survive. I have looked in London and Leeds but not found anyhting.

Thanks anyway

Gilllian

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 4 Jan 2013 13:48

Gillian, is this by any chance his baptism? Sadly it's one without an actual birth date:

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Harry Coulson
Parish: Upper Armley, Christ Church
Baptism Date: 8 Sep 1901
Father's Name: Fred Coulson - leather dresser.
Mother's Name: Emily Coulson

Address: 34 Chancellor Street, Meanwood.

Baptised the same day was a sibling Emma.

Gillian

Gillian Report 4 Jan 2013 13:53

Hi Marie Celeste

thanks for trying but it isn't him. His mother was Kate Coulson and his father was Albert Proctor Coulson and they lived at 21 Grace Square, Wortley when he was born.

Thanks

Gillian

Vera

Vera Report 4 Jan 2013 13:58

Just for ref
1911
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Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
COULSON, Albert Proctor Head Married M 43 1868 Labourer Armley Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
COULSON, Katy Wife Married23 years F 43 1868 Middlesex London VIEW
COULSON, Clifford Son Single M 21 1890 Labourer Armley Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
COULSON, Elise Daughter Single F 18 1893 Weaver Armley Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
COULSON, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 16 1895 Weaver Armley Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
COULSON, Fanny Daughter Single F 14 1897 Part School And Chemical Works Packer At Wortley Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
COULSON, Harry Son Single M 9 1902 School Wortley Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
COULSON, Ethel Daughter Single F 4 1907 School Wortley Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
COULSON, Ethel Daughter Single F 2 1909 Wortley Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
KENNEDY, Ester Boarder Single F 21 1890 Piecener Cloth Manufactng New Wortley Yorkshire Leeds VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 26875
Reference: RG14PN26875 RG78PN1545 RD499 SD3 ED5 SN267
Registration District: Bramley
Sub District: Wortley
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Armley and Bramley
Address: 19 Genoa Road Wortley Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)


Regards Vera

Gillian

Gillian Report 4 Jan 2013 14:12

Thanks for this Vera.
Gillian

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Jan 2013 14:15

Gillan, obviously I have no idea if it that death is him, but I was looking for a death in the London area around the right time.
The birth year isn't an indication one way or the other as if he died in hospital it's more than possible the age was a bit out. In fact, it is exactly right, he would actually have been 23 when this was registered as he wasn't born until the June quarter.
Jan

Gillian

Gillian Report 4 Jan 2013 14:52

Hi Jan

that certainly looks like a possibility. I will send for the certificate and keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks

Gillian