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Pamela
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9 Jan 2013 00:20 |
Now all this is giving me something to get my teeth into isn't it. Regarding the 'smith' part, I wonder if it may come down to whoever was writing the records as in some just the abrev. 'smith' is used and some Black/White.
Possibly Eleanor and Ellen are the same person considering no other Ellen's baptism is apparent. I will try and follow to see if any 'Eleanor' Cannon shows up in any other records if only to elimate her.
Interesting that St.George and St. Botolph are so close together so could provide the link.
To Vera, Adeline, Sylvia and Dea my grateful thanks for taking an interest and help I will most certainly be following up everything you have provided.
Pamela
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8 Jan 2013 19:45 |
Can't work on it at the moment but I have been looking at this family:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Cannon Name: William Cannon Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1821 Father's Name: William Cannon Mother's Name: Mary Cannon Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Saviour Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
Baptisms: Sarah Cannon 21 Oct 1821 William Cannon, Mary Cannon Southwark St Saviour Southwark William Cannon 21 Oct 1821 William Cannon, Mary Cannon Southwark St Saviour Southwark
This one is a Smith!! ???
1841 census transcription details for: Miles Street, St Mary Lambeth, Kennington First, Lambeth Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1055 Book/Folio: 11/27 Page: 17 Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: Kennington First Parish: St Mary Lambeth Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth Address: Miles Street, St Mary Lambeth, Kennington First, Lambeth County: Surrey Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born TRIBE, Thomas M 50 1791 TRIBE, Rebecca F 45 1796 Surrey TRIBE, Mary F 15 1826 TRIBE, Elizabeth F 15 1826 TRIBE, Hannah F 5 1836 Surrey TRIBE, Thomas M 15 1826 TRIBE, William M 15 1826 TRIBE, George M 15 1826 TRIBE, James M 10 1831 TRIBE, Charles M 5 1836 TRIBE, Henry M 3 1838 Surrey CANNON, William M 40 1801 Surrey Smith !! CANNON, Mary F 35 1806 Surrey WHITFIELD, William M 35 1806 Ireland WHITFIELD, Sarah F 25 1816
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Sarah Cannon Name: Sarah Cannon Spouse Name: William Bonet........BOND !!! - Painter Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1843 Parish: Lambeth St Mary Borough: Lambeth Father Name: William Cannon Smith Spouse Father Name: Joseph Bonet. BOND - Shoemaker Register Type: Parish Register
Sarah's father is William a Smith (deceased).
Dea Xxx
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SylviaInCanada
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8 Jan 2013 19:40 |
I also wondered about that baptism of Eleanor Cannon in 1823, as the age fits with the Ellen Cannon on the 1841 Census.
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SylviaInCanada
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8 Jan 2013 19:29 |
whitesmith and blacksmith are 2 completely separate trades.
I doubt very much that a man would do both, or would switch from one to the other.
you might find this site interesting
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/index.htm
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Chris Ho :)
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8 Jan 2013 15:53 |
Name: William Cannon Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 May 1828 (Born 2 Feb) Father's Name: William Cannon (Smith) Mother's Name: Ann Cannon Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph, Aldgate Borough: City of London Register Type: Parish Registers (2, Blackhorse Yard)
(another above)
Chris :)
(nothing for Ellen or a Margaret? though)
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Adeline
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8 Jan 2013 14:32 |
St George in the East and St Botolph's Aldgate - the two churches are about a mile apart.
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Vera
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8 Jan 2013 14:18 |
I also saw the William occupation Whitesmith...whereas she stated her father on her marriage cert., was a blacksmith???
A whitesmith is a person who works with "white" or light-coloured metals such as tin and pewter. Unlike blacksmiths (who work mostly with hot metal), whitesmiths do the majority of their work on cold metal (although they might use a hearth to heat and help shape their raw materials). The term is also applied to metalworkers who do only finishing work – such as filing or polishing – on iron and other "black" metals. Whitesmiths fabricate items such as tin or pewter cups, water pitchers, forks, spoons, and candle holders and it was a common occupation in pre-industrial times.
Am not sure how far St George in the East is from St Botolph's Aldgate. Will check.
Regards Vera
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Pamela
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8 Jan 2013 13:55 |
Thanks so much Vera.
I'm just wondering as Ellen always gives her birth place in census as St.George in the East is that anywhere near St.Botolph Aldgate which is where William, Ann,John and Sarah lived in 1841 and where I also have found a Baptism for Sarah b,1826, so that fits, father William occ Whitesmith, mother Ann.
Regards Pamela
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Vera
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8 Jan 2013 11:05 |
Just checked for Sarah with parents William and Ann..... fathers occupation shoemaker....so doesn't look like yours..sorry.
Regards Vera
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Vera
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8 Jan 2013 11:02 |
???? I know age completely different. Eleanor Cannon Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1823 Father's Name: William Cannon trade Mother's Name: Ann Cannon Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone Borough: Westminster Register Type: Parish Registers
Regards Vera
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Pamela
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8 Jan 2013 09:37 |
Hi Sylvia, thank you for your interest. Ellen always appears in all records, census, marriage and death as such with one exception 'Helen' in 1861.
I have searched Ancestry, Familysearch and London Births and Baptisms but no luck so far.
Chris, thank you also, you have Ellen, George and their family. What is interesting though is the 1851 census for William and Ann that for some reason I hadn't found, residing Islington Finsbury. Earlier I had found what I believe is them in 1841 residing St.Botolph, William 50 Head occ. 'smith', Ann 45 both not of County. With them is John 20 and Sarah 14 both born in County. Now as Ellen and George were married in Tottenham and I believe Islington/Finsbury and Tottenham are pretty close together (I'm in Australia so please forgive If I'm wrong)) this does look promising.
Again I thank you both for your interest and help.
Pamela
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8 Jan 2013 08:28 |
Name: Ellen Cannon Spouse Name: George Tillcock Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Apr 1843 Parish: Tottenham All Hallows Borough: Haringey Father Name: William Cannon (Blacksmith) Spouse Father Name: John Tillcock (Wheelwright) Register Type: Parish Register (abode for both as Tottenham, both Full Age)
Chris :)
1881 TILCOCK, George Head Married M 61 1820 Coachman Ware, Hertfordshire TILCOCK, Ellen Wife Married F 63 1818 London, Middlesex TILCOCK, Charlotte Daughter Single F 28 1853 Stanstead, Hertfordshire TILLCOCK (TILCOCK), Annie Grnd Daughter Single F 0 1881 Stanstead, Hertfordshire LEWIS, Henry S Grand Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Walthamstow, Essex Piece: 1400 Folio: 54A Page: 8 Registration District: Ware Civil Parish: Stanstead Abbots Municipal Borough: Address: Cats Hill, Stanstead Abbots County: Hertfordshire
1861 TILLCOCK, George Head Married M 41 1820 Groom Ware, Hertfordshire TILLCOCK, Helen Wife Married F 43 1818 Grooms Wife St George in the East, Middlesex TILLCOCK, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Grooms Daughter Ware, Hertfordshire TILLCOCK, Henry Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Grooms Son Stanstead, Hertfordshire TILLCOCK, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar Stanstead, Hertfordshire TILLCOCK, Charlotte Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar Stanstead, Hertfordshire TILLCOCK, Charley Son Unmarried M 6 1855 Scholar Stanstead, Hertfordshire TILLCOCK, William Son Unmarried M 3 1858 Stanstead, Hertfordshire TILLCOCK, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 2 1859 Stanstead, Hertfordshire Piece: 804 Folio: 20 Page: 9 Registration District: Ware Civil Parish: Stanstead Municipal Borough: Address: Stanstead Street, Stanstead County: Hertfordshire
1841 ADAMS, Elizabeth F 76 1765 Hertfordshire ADAMS, Jane F 45 1796 CANNON, Ellen F 18 1823 (Servant) (Not born County) Piece: 436 Book/Folio: 5/18 Page: 8 Registration District: Hertford Civil Parish: Bennington Municipal Borough: Address: Bennington Green, Bennington County: Hertfordshire
1841 TILLCOCK, Geo M 21 1820 Hertfordshire (Ag. Lab.) (Born in County) Piece: 436 Book/Folio: 5/8 Page: 11 Registration District: Hertford Civil Parish: Bennington Municipal Borough: Address: Bennington Buildings, Bennington County: Hertfordshire
1851 ? CANNON, William Head Married M 67 1784 Black Smith Bocking, Essex CANNON, Ann Wife Married F 63 1788 Colchester, Essex Piece: 1501 Folio: 681 Page: 41 Registration District: Islington Civil Parish: Islington Municipal Borough: Finsbury Address: 2, Elder Walk, Islington, Finsbury County: Middlesex
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SylviaInCanada
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8 Jan 2013 08:15 |
you should note that her name be spelled Helen ......... or even Eleanor!
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SylviaInCanada
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8 Jan 2013 08:10 |
where have you already looked??
Just to save us duplicating your research
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Pamela
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8 Jan 2013 07:09 |
Ellen was born acc. to census 1851 onwards c.1818 in St.George in the East. On her marriage record to George Tillcock 1843 All Hallows Tottenham her father is given as William Cannon, Blacksmith and is witnessed by George Conell and Margaret Cannon ?.
Please can you help in finding Ellens birth and parentage in fact more on the Cannon side. The Tillcock side I have and know that George and Ellen brought up their family in Stanstead, George dying 1889 and Ellen 1898.
Pamela
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