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Cecil Edward William Yates

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David Report 8 Jan 2013 10:19

Hi All,

Can somebody help at all.

I have Cecil Edward William Yates b1986 Acton, Middlesex. Can find him in both the 1901 & 1911 census. 1901 census living at 361, Acton Lane, Acton, Middlesex. 1911 census living at 28, Regina Road, Southall, Middlesex. He was the first born child to my Grandmother Charlotte Amelia Yates (out of wedlock I'm afraid) when she was aged just 14.
Have managed to find his marriage and death in Essex. It appears when discharged from the Army in Colchester, Essex, he met and married his future wife and continued to live in Colchester and raise their family. I am aware that he used the name Ted.
My stumbling block is I cannot find any reference at all regarding the birth, so unable to locate the birth certeficate.

Anybody any suggestions at all to where I might find the birth or why I cannot find it at all!.

Kind Regads,

David Hook


Reggie Report 8 Jan 2013 10:29

Who/when/where did he marry?


greyghost Report 8 Jan 2013 10:34

What year was he born please - not 1986, do you mean 1886 or 1896 maybe?

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greyghost Report 8 Jan 2013 10:37

Ah! is this the family?

1901 census transcription details for: 361, Acton Lane, Acton

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1203
Folio: 17
Page: 26
Reg. District: Brentford
Sub District: Acton
Parish: Acton
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 361, Acton Lane, Acton
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
YATES, Edward J Head Married M 43 1858 Coachman Not Domestic N K, Kent
YATES, Charlotte Wife Married F 40 1861 Oxford
YATES, Edward W Son M 13 1888 Acton, Middlesex
YATES, Cecil E W Son M 4 1897 Acton, Middlesex
CURRIE, William H Boarder Single M 28 1873 Rolling Machine Laundry Born Deaf & Dumb Manchester


greyghost Report 8 Jan 2013 10:46

If so is this Charlotte senior in 1891? She is stated as single. Her relationship to the younger Charlotte and to Edward W are not given, but would this be the Edward W on the 1901 census described as Son

1891 census transcription details for: 17, Lordship Lane, Camberwell

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 471
Folio: 62
Page: 117
Reg. District: Camberwell
Sub District: Camberwell
Parish: Camberwell
Enum. District: 33
Ecclesiastical District: St Clements
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Lordship Lane, Camberwell
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RAMSAY, James Head Married M 29 1862 Sorter General Post Office Southwark
RAMSAY, Annie E Wife Married F 26 1865 Camberwell
BROWN, Elizabeth Mother In Law Married F 54 1837 Ladies Nurse Rockhampton, Gloucestershire
BROWN, Ambrose Brother In Law Married M 31 1860 Bricklayers Labourer Camberwell, Surrey
BROWN, Eliza A Sister In Law Married F 31 1860 Lewisham, Kent
TINKLER, Alice M Sister In Law Single F 22 1869 Camberwell, Surrey
TINKLER Nephew M 0 (1M) 1891 Camberwell, Surrey
YATES, Charlotte Visitor Single F 28 1863 St Clement, Oxfordshire
YATES, Charlotte Visitor Single F 9 1882 Cowley, St Johns
YATES, Edward W Visitor Single M 3 1888 Hammersmith London


Reggie Report 8 Jan 2013 10:52

1911 England Census
Name: Eric Edward William Yates
[Cecil Edward William Yates]
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Brother
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Acton, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Norwood
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Regina Road, Southall
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Carpenter
Registration district: Uxbridge
Registration District Number: 127
Sub-registration district: Hayes
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 85
Piece: 6799
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hook 43
Charlotte Amelia Hook 30
Sidney George Hook 9
Edward Henry Arthur Hook 7
Ruby Avis Margwill Hook 5
Reginald Stanley Hook 2
Edward William James Yates 23
Eric Edward William Yates 15


greyghost Report 8 Jan 2013 10:56

Charlotte with Edward and Cecil 1911. Cecil stated as brother.
5 children born to marriage, 1 has died

1911 census transcription details for: 28a Regina Road

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN6799 RG78PN339 RD127 SD3 ED17 SN85
Reg. District: Uxbridge
Sub District: Hayes
Parish: Norwood
Enum. District: 17
Address: 28a Regina Road
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HOOK, George Head Married M 43 1868 General Labourer Merton Surrey
HOOK, Charlotte Amelia Wife Married 11 years F 30 1881 Oxford
HOOK, Sidney George Son M 9 1902 Middlesex Ealing
HOOK, Edward Henry Arthur Son M 7 1904 Middlesex Hanwell
HOOK, Ruby Avis Margurite Daughter F 5 1906 Middlesex Hanwell
HOOK, Reginald Stanley Son M 2 1909 Middlesex Southall
YATES, Edward William James Brother Single M 23 1888 Carpenter Middlesex Shepherds Bush
YATES, Cecil Edward William Brother Single M 15 1896 Carpenter Middlesex Acton

The marriage to go with the 1911 census?

Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: HOOK, George
Registration district: Croydon
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1900
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 509
MarriageFinder: George Hook married one of the following people:

YATES, Charlotte Amelia
GRIGSBY, William Arthur


greyghost Report 8 Jan 2013 11:05

Got to pop out, hope someone finds an answer for you


Mavis Report 8 Jan 2013 11:44

What may be your family


Cecil Edward William Harrington born 29th Sep 1896 to Charles John and Charlotte Harrington of 41 Myrtle Road - Acton - a decorator


Charles John Harrington to Charlotte Yates in Brighton Sx. Jun Q 1896 2b 531

slight error on birth name

Cyril Edward W Harrington Dec Q 1896 Brentford [ this covers Acton ] 3a 53

was marriage annulled because of age ? so reverted back to Yates ??



Reggie Report 8 Jan 2013 13:17

Cracking find, Mavis...........

Hope David returns to see it


greyghost Report 8 Jan 2013 13:39

Just got back in - looks a good one Mavis. Certificates required!


Mary Report 8 Jan 2013 15:05

Just been googling 41,Myrtle Road Acton
There is info about a Francis Edwin Chawner born 1858 in Derbyshire moving to that address in 1897 and remained there a few years.

So maybe Charlotte didn't stay with Mr Harrington very long.


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Jan 2013 15:45

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Arthur Mnore (Moore)1896 Ealing 41, Myrtle-road, Acton

Edward James Yates 1899 Ealing 41, Myrtle-road, Acton

Chris :)

Name: Edward William Yates
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1888 (Born 1 Nov 1887)
Father's Name: Edward James Yates (Coachman)
Mother's Name: Charlotte Yates
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shepherds Bush St Stephen
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Parish Registers


greyghost Report 8 Jan 2013 22:40

PM from David, still doesn't know birth reg details from answers above! Have suggested Mavis' answer is a good bet and/or possibly speak to GRO for their guidance.
Also suggested that he replies on thread, although I see it is now marked as answered.

Might have to spend to get a certificate.