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David
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8 Jan 2013 10:19 |
Hi All,
Can somebody help at all.
I have Cecil Edward William Yates b1986 Acton, Middlesex. Can find him in both the 1901 & 1911 census. 1901 census living at 361, Acton Lane, Acton, Middlesex. 1911 census living at 28, Regina Road, Southall, Middlesex. He was the first born child to my Grandmother Charlotte Amelia Yates (out of wedlock I'm afraid) when she was aged just 14. Have managed to find his marriage and death in Essex. It appears when discharged from the Army in Colchester, Essex, he met and married his future wife and continued to live in Colchester and raise their family. I am aware that he used the name Ted. My stumbling block is I cannot find any reference at all regarding the birth, so unable to locate the birth certeficate.
Anybody any suggestions at all to where I might find the birth or why I cannot find it at all!.
Kind Regads,
David Hook
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ErikaH
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8 Jan 2013 10:29 |
Who/when/where did he marry?
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greyghost
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8 Jan 2013 10:34 |
What year was he born please - not 1986, do you mean 1886 or 1896 maybe?
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greyghost
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8 Jan 2013 10:37 |
Ah! is this the family?
1901 census transcription details for: 361, Acton Lane, Acton
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1203 Folio: 17 Page: 26 Reg. District: Brentford Sub District: Acton Parish: Acton Enum. District: 12 Ecclesiastical District: All Saints City/Municipal Borough: Address: 361, Acton Lane, Acton County: Middlesex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born YATES, Edward J Head Married M 43 1858 Coachman Not Domestic N K, Kent YATES, Charlotte Wife Married F 40 1861 Oxford YATES, Edward W Son M 13 1888 Acton, Middlesex YATES, Cecil E W Son M 4 1897 Acton, Middlesex CURRIE, William H Boarder Single M 28 1873 Rolling Machine Laundry Born Deaf & Dumb Manchester
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8 Jan 2013 10:46 |
If so is this Charlotte senior in 1891? She is stated as single. Her relationship to the younger Charlotte and to Edward W are not given, but would this be the Edward W on the 1901 census described as Son
1891 census transcription details for: 17, Lordship Lane, Camberwell
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 471 Folio: 62 Page: 117 Reg. District: Camberwell Sub District: Camberwell Parish: Camberwell Enum. District: 33 Ecclesiastical District: St Clements City/Municipal Borough: Address: 17, Lordship Lane, Camberwell County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born RAMSAY, James Head Married M 29 1862 Sorter General Post Office Southwark RAMSAY, Annie E Wife Married F 26 1865 Camberwell BROWN, Elizabeth Mother In Law Married F 54 1837 Ladies Nurse Rockhampton, Gloucestershire BROWN, Ambrose Brother In Law Married M 31 1860 Bricklayers Labourer Camberwell, Surrey BROWN, Eliza A Sister In Law Married F 31 1860 Lewisham, Kent TINKLER, Alice M Sister In Law Single F 22 1869 Camberwell, Surrey TINKLER Nephew M 0 (1M) 1891 Camberwell, Surrey YATES, Charlotte Visitor Single F 28 1863 St Clement, Oxfordshire YATES, Charlotte Visitor Single F 9 1882 Cowley, St Johns YATES, Edward W Visitor Single M 3 1888 Hammersmith London
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ErikaH
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8 Jan 2013 10:52 |
1911 England Census Name: Eric Edward William Yates [Cecil Edward William Yates] Age in 1911: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation to Head: Brother Gender: Male Birth Place: Acton, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Norwood County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 28 Regina Road, Southall Marital Status: Single Occupation: Carpenter Registration district: Uxbridge Registration District Number: 127 Sub-registration district: Hayes ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Household schedule number: 85 Piece: 6799 Household Members: Name Age George Hook 43 Charlotte Amelia Hook 30 Sidney George Hook 9 Edward Henry Arthur Hook 7 Ruby Avis Margwill Hook 5 Reginald Stanley Hook 2 Edward William James Yates 23 Eric Edward William Yates 15
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greyghost
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8 Jan 2013 10:56 |
Charlotte with Edward and Cecil 1911. Cecil stated as brother. 5 children born to marriage, 1 has died
1911 census transcription details for: 28a Regina Road
National Archive Reference: RG14PN6799 RG78PN339 RD127 SD3 ED17 SN85 Reg. District: Uxbridge Sub District: Hayes Parish: Norwood Enum. District: 17 Address: 28a Regina Road County: Middlesex Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born HOOK, George Head Married M 43 1868 General Labourer Merton Surrey HOOK, Charlotte Amelia Wife Married 11 years F 30 1881 Oxford HOOK, Sidney George Son M 9 1902 Middlesex Ealing HOOK, Edward Henry Arthur Son M 7 1904 Middlesex Hanwell HOOK, Ruby Avis Margurite Daughter F 5 1906 Middlesex Hanwell HOOK, Reginald Stanley Son M 2 1909 Middlesex Southall YATES, Edward William James Brother Single M 23 1888 Carpenter Middlesex Shepherds Bush YATES, Cecil Edward William Brother Single M 15 1896 Carpenter Middlesex Acton
The marriage to go with the 1911 census?
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: HOOK, George Registration district: Croydon County: Surrey Year of registration: 1900 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 2A Page no: 509 MarriageFinder: George Hook married one of the following people:
GRIGSBY, Rhoda YATES, Charlotte Amelia GRIGSBY, William Arthur
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greyghost
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8 Jan 2013 11:05 |
Got to pop out, hope someone finds an answer for you
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Mavis
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8 Jan 2013 11:44 |
What may be your family
Baptism
Cecil Edward William Harrington born 29th Sep 1896 to Charles John and Charlotte Harrington of 41 Myrtle Road - Acton - a decorator
marriage
Charles John Harrington to Charlotte Yates in Brighton Sx. Jun Q 1896 2b 531
slight error on birth name
Cyril Edward W Harrington Dec Q 1896 Brentford [ this covers Acton ] 3a 53
was marriage annulled because of age ? so reverted back to Yates ??
Mavis
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ErikaH
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8 Jan 2013 13:17 |
Cracking find, Mavis...........
Hope David returns to see it
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greyghost
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8 Jan 2013 13:39 |
Just got back in - looks a good one Mavis. Certificates required!
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Mary
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8 Jan 2013 15:05 |
Just been googling 41,Myrtle Road Acton There is info about a Francis Edwin Chawner born 1858 in Derbyshire moving to that address in 1897 and remained there a few years.
So maybe Charlotte didn't stay with Mr Harrington very long.
Maryb.
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Chris Ho :)
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8 Jan 2013 15:45 |
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Arthur Mnore (Moore)1896 Ealing 41, Myrtle-road, Acton
Edward James Yates 1899 Ealing 41, Myrtle-road, Acton
Chris :)
Name: Edward William Yates Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1888 (Born 1 Nov 1887) Father's Name: Edward James Yates (Coachman) Mother's Name: Charlotte Yates Parish or Poor Law Union: Shepherds Bush St Stephen Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham Register Type: Parish Registers
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greyghost
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8 Jan 2013 22:40 |
PM from David, still doesn't know birth reg details from answers above! Have suggested Mavis' answer is a good bet and/or possibly speak to GRO for their guidance. Also suggested that he replies on thread, although I see it is now marked as answered.
Might have to spend to get a certificate.
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