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10 Jan 2013 20:46 |
Brimage family originally from Guernsey Why would this family (or Family members) have been in Liverpool one census1851. In Guernsey 1871 Back in Liverpool later census. What was link between Liverpool and Guernsey.
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AnnCardiff
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10 Jan 2013 20:48 |
hello William - can you give some full names and relevant dates please?
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AnnCardiff
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10 Jan 2013 20:52 |
I can see 26 Brimage's on the Guernsey census for the 1800's and 1900's but no mention of Liverpool amongst any of them
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alviegal
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10 Jan 2013 21:05 |
Is it this family?
1851 census transcription details for: 32, Lonsdale Street, Liverpool Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2182 Folio: 261 Page: 44 Reg. District: Liverpool Sub District: Mount Pleasant Parish: Liverpool Enum. District: 1H Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool Address: 32, Lonsdale Street, Liverpool County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, John Thomas Head Married M 35 1816 Shoe Maker Master Emploing Guernsey, Ireland BRIMAGE, Harriet Wife Married F 35 1816 Nurse Isle of Wight BRIMAGE, Thomas Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Shop Boy Island of Gurnsey BRIMAGE, Richard Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Island of Gurnsey BRIMAGE, Mary Ann Daughter F 9 1842 Scholar Rock Ferry, Cheshire BRIMAGE, James Manley Son M 5 1846 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Charles Son M 0 (10 MOS) 1851 Toxteth Park, Lancashire BAKER, Ann Servant Unmarried F 29 1822 House Servant Waterford, Ireland BUTLER, Stephen Lodger Unmarried M 16 1835 Shoe Maker Dublin Ireland
1861 census transcription details for: 5, Knowsley Street, Everton, Liverpool Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 2714 Folio: 58 Page: 15 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: 2 Everton Parish: Everton Enum. District: 28 Ecclesiastical District: St Chrysostoms City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool Address: 5, Knowsley Street, Everton, Liverpool County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, Harriett Head Widow F 45 1816 None Newport, Isle of Wight BRIMAGE, Richd Tayle Son Unmarried M 13 1848 Shoemaker Apprentice Guernsey St Peters BRIMAGE, James Manley Son M 15 1846 Tailor Boy Old Swan, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Charles Mary Son M 10 1851 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
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10 Jan 2013 21:07 |
1841 census transcription details for: Russell Street, St Mary, Southampton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 417 Book/Folio: 6/7 Page: 9 Reg. District: Southampton Sub District: Southampton Parish: St Mary Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Southampton Address: Russell Street, St Mary, Southampton County: Hampshire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born CULL, Sarah F 45 1796 Hampshire CULL, Charles M 15 1826 Hampshire KAILL, John M 25 1816 Hampshire KAILL, Selina F 26 1815 Hampshire KAILL, John G M 5 1836 Hampshire KAILL, William M 4 1837 Hampshire KAILL, Mary A F 2 1839 Hampshire BRIMAGE, John M 24 1817 shoemaker Foreign
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alviegal
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10 Jan 2013 21:18 |
1871 census transcription details for: Clement Road, St Peter Port Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 5765 Folio: 94 Page: 13 Reg. District: Guernsey Sub District: Parish: St Peter Port Enum. District: 8 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Clement Road, St Peter Port County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BROWN, Mary A Head F 60 1811 England FENN, Charlotte Daughter F 27 1844 England FENN, Charles Grandson M 10 1861 Channel Islands FENN, Emma Granddaughter F 5 1866 Channel Islands FENN, William Grandson M 1 1870 Channel Islands DUFFETT, Martha Lodger F 21 1850 England >>BRIMAGE, Charles Lodger M 21 1850 England SLEET, Thomas Lodger M 31 1840 England
1881 census transcription details for: 47, Cornet Street House, St Peter Port Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 5627 Folio: 13 Page: 19 Reg. District: Guernsey Sub District: Guernsey - St Peter Port Parish: St Peter Port Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 47, Cornet Street House, St Peter Port County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, Charles Head Married M 30 1851 Tailor Liverpool, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Martha Wife Married F 31 1850 Dorset BRIMAGE, Rosina Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Guernsey, Channel Islands BRIMAGE, Martha Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Guernsey, Channel Islands BRIMAGE, Sarah Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Guernsey, Channel Islands BRIMAGE, Ethel Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar Guernsey, Channel Islands BRIMAGE, Emily Daughter Single F 1 1880 Guernsey, Channel Islands
1891 census transcription details for: 33, Cornet Street, St Peter Port Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 4703 Folio: 9 Page: 11 Reg. District: Jersey Sub District: C Parish: St Peter Port Enum. District: 26 Ecclesiastical District: St Peter Port City/Municipal Borough: Address: 33, Cornet Street, St Peter Port County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, Charles R Head Married M 41 1850 Carter England BRIMAGE, Martha Wife Married F 42 1849 England BRIMAGE, Rosina Daughter Single F 19 1872 Charwoman St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, Martha Daughter Single F 17 1874 Charwoman St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, Sarah E Daughter Single F 15 1876 Charwoman St Johns, Guernsey BRIMAGE, Ethel A Daughter F 13 1878 Charwoman St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, Emily Ann Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, Philipana Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, Charles J Son M 6 1885 Scholar St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, Mable Daughter F 3 1888 Scholar St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, William J Son M 0 (10M) 1891 St Peter Port, Guernsey
1901 census transcription details for: 46, Corner Street, St Peter Port Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 5323 Folio: 13 Page: 17 Reg. District: Guernsey Sub District: Guernsey - St Peter Port Parish: St Peter Port Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: St Peter Port City/Municipal Borough: Address: 46, Corner Street, St Peter Port County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, Charles R Head Married M 50 1851 G Labourer England BRIMAGE, Martha Wife Married F 51 1850 England BRIMAGE, Charles J Son M 14 1887 Marine Store Dealer's Asst St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, Mabel J Daughter F 13 1888 St Peter Port, Guernsey BRIMAGE, William J Son M 10 1891 St Peter Port, Guernsey
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AnnCardiff
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10 Jan 2013 23:47 |
now why didn't I think of looking at this the other way around :-D :-D
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10 Jan 2013 23:54 |
just had another look and it seems it was only in the early 1800s that some of them moved to Lancashire and a few others moved to Devonshire
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William
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11 Jan 2013 19:51 |
Brimage family in question - Richard, Elizabeth,, Thomas, James, Charles, Mary, John. (as per 1851, 1861) Family names have been carried forward over years. Our closest - most recent and close link to above - George William Brimage born 1901 Liverpool.
Any link to John Brimage 1796 Guernsey, Thomas Brimage 1788 (Marine private??)
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alviegal
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12 Jan 2013 14:20 |
Right, so your connection is through James Manley, son of Richard and Elizabeth and grandson of John and Harriet in 1851/61 census.
Is this correct?
1911 census transcription details for: 66 Hartnup St Everton N Liverpool Print Close
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RG14PN22507 RG78PN1324 RD455 SD7 ED24 SN33 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: North Everton Parish: Everton Enum. District: 24 Address: 66 Hartnup St Everton N Liverpool County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BRIMAGE, James Manley Husband Married M 41 1870 H Painter Liverpool BRIMAGE, Marie Wife Married 18 years F 39 1872 Liverpool BRIMAGE, Lilian Daughter Single F 17 1894 Caromel Wrapper Liverpool BRIMAGE, Richard Henap Son Single M 15 1896 Liverpool BRIMAGE, Harriet May Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Liverpool BRIMAGE, George William Son Single M 10 1901 School Liverpool BRIMAGE, Edith Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Liverpool BRIMAGE, James Hopwell Son M 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Liverpool
1901 census transcription details for: 24, Leadenhall Street, Everton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 3475 Folio: 136 Page: 21 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: North Everton Parish: Everton Enum. District: 16 Ecclesiastical District: St Georges City/Municipal Borough: Address: 24, Leadenhall Street, Everton County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, James Head Married M 31 1870 House Painter Liverpool, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Maria Wife Married F 29 1872 Liverpool, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Lillian Daughter Single F 7 1894 Liverpool, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Richard Son Single M 5 1896 Liverpool, Lancashire BRIMAGE, James Son Single M 4 1897 Liverpool, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Harriet Daughter Single F 2 1899 Liverpool, Lancashire
1891 census transcription details for: 2, Pickering Street, Everton, Liverpool Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 2950 Folio: 71 Page: 23 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: South Everton Parish: Everton Enum. District: 39 Ecclesiastical District: St John the Evangelist City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool Address: 2, Pickering Street, Everton, Liverpool County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRUMMAGE, James Boarder Single M 21 1870 Painter Liverpool OWENS, John Lodger Single M 52 1839 Traveller Liverpool HOUSTON, James Lodger Single M 24 1867 Dry Salter Paisley, Scotland
1881 census transcription details for: 29, Kilshaw St, Everton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 3673 Folio: 9 Page: 12 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Everton Parish: Everton Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 29, Kilshaw St, Everton County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, Richard Head Married M 42 1839 Shoemaker West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1846 West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Thomas Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, James Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Richard Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Charles Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, Mary A Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar West Derby, Lancashire BRIMAGE, John Son Single M 0 1881 West Derby, Lancashire BULMER, Thomas Boarder Single M 43 1838 Traveller (Com) Leeds, Yorkshire
1871 England Census about Richet Bennage Name: Richet Bennage Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizth Bennage Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Chrysostom County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 77 Household schedule number: 109 Piece: 3822 Folio: 65 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Richet Bennage 53, shoemaker b guernsey of 152/4 Spencer Street Elizth Bennage 26 Thos Bennage 3 Bennage 1
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alviegal
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12 Jan 2013 14:46 |
Is this James' marriage?
Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about James Manley Brimage Name: James Manley Brimage, painter of 96 Whitefield Rd Birth Year: abt 1870 Age: 23 Marriage Date: 30 Apr 1893 Parish: Everton St Peter Spouse's Name: Marie Shepherd Father's Name: Richard Brimage, painter Spouse Father's Name: Richard Kemp Shepherd
If so, who's birth is this?
Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906 about James Henry Brimage Name: James Henry Brimage Birth Date: 18 Jun 1869 Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1869 Parish: Liverpool St Peter Father's Name: Richard Brimage, shoemaker Mother's Name: Elizabeth Jane Brimage
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12 Jan 2013 15:11 |
Now here is John Brimage 1796, with Richard's family living nearby.
1841 census transcription details for: Tourgand, St Peter Port, Guernsey Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1460 Book/Folio: 12/35 Page: 17 Reg. District: Sub District: Parish: St Peter Port Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Guernsey Address: Tourgand, St Peter Port, Guernsey County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born COUSINS, Rd M 70 1771 England COUSINS, Chs M 15 1826 England COUSINS, Sarah F 15 1826 England COUSINS, Edward M 10 1831 England SMITH, Samuel M 35 1806 England SMITH, Mary F 60 1781 England DAVID, Maria F 30 1811 England DAVID, Edward M 5 1836 England DAVID, John M 0 (1 months) 1841 Isle of Guernsey >>BRIMAGE, Harriet F 25 1816 Shoe B England >>BRIMAGE, Thomas M 5 1836 Isle of Guernsey >>BRIMAGE, Richard M 3 1838 Isle of Guernsey WHALE, Anne F 70 1771 England >>BRIMAGE, John M 45 1796 Shipwright Isle of Guernsey BRIMAGE, Mary F 40 1801 England BRIMAGE, Mary A F 15 1826 Shoe B Isle of Guernsey BRIMAGE, John M 7 1834 Isle of Guernsey
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1851 census transcription details for: 19, Glatney, St Peters Port Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2530 Folio: 61 Page: 15 Reg. District: Sub District: Parish: St Peters Port Enum. District: 4 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 19, Glatney, St Peters Port County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, John Head Married M 63 1788 Shipwright St P Port, Guernsey
1861 census transcription details for: , Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 4379 Folio: 82 Page: 3 Reg. District: Guernsey Sub District: Parish: St Peter Port Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: Tethore City/Municipal Borough: Address: Hospital Workhouse of St Peter Port County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BRIMAGE, John Inmate Married M 67 1794 Ship Carpenter St Peter Port, Guernsey
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12 Jan 2013 15:22 |
This seems to confirm that John, 1796 is the father of John 1816. Wife, Mary is mentioned in 1841.
Issue of John Brimage and Mary Rey 1. John Thomas BRIMAGE Born 17 Feb 1816 at St Peter Port, Guernsey. He was christened 3 Mar 1816 at Town Church, St Peter Port, Guernsey. Witnesses were Jean Samways, Jean Brimage, Marie Ray. Another name, Charles, appears only on the marriage certificate of son Thomas in Liverpool in 1860, but this was several years after John had left his wife and family.
from http://www.shade.id.au/Brimage/Brimage4.htm
2. Thomas BRIMAGE Born 2 Feb 1818 at St Peter Port, Guernsey. He was christened 15 Feb 1818 at Town Church, Guernsey. Christening witnesses were Jean Brimage, Jean Samways, Marie Ray. He died in Sep 1840 in Guernsey. He was buried 24 Sep 1850 at Stranger's Cemetery, Guernsey. At his death his age was given as "Aged 22 Yrs 7 Mths". 3. Mary Ann BRIMAGE Born 15 Aug 1821 at St Peter Port, Guernsey. She was christened 12 Sep 1821 at Town Church, Guernsey. Christening witnesses were Jean Rey, Rachel Phillips, Jane Le Gallez.
Ref 1841 census. Guernsey, Channel Islands. Civil Parish of St Peter Port. Address: Tourgand, St Peter Port. Together with her parents and other relatives: Mary A Brimage. Age 15. Shoe B. Born in Guernsey.
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12 Jan 2013 15:28 |
Issue of John (Jean) Brimage and Susannah Street 1. Jean-James BRIMAGE Born 30 Nov 1791 in Guernsey, Channel Islands. He was christened on 11 Dec 1791 at Town Church, Guernsey. Christening witnesses were James Galading, Jean Brimage, Elizabeth Bazin. He died in Sep 1793 in Guernsey. He was buried 17 Sep 1793 in Guernsey. 2. John BRIMAGE Born 6 Mar 1795 at St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands. He was christened on 18 Mar 1795 at Town Church, Guernsey. Christening witnesses were James Gladwin, John Brimage, Sarah Gladwin.
Lots of information on this site. You are so lucky to have it all laid out for you. :-)
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William
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13 Jan 2013 13:18 |
Lots of good information to check against and share with Brimage family . The site does look good. Really appreciate your research and feedback.
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