1871 with Edward and Susan is Thomas Abbott 1847 born Lincs brother to Edward.
Thomas marries a Elizabeth and then Ellen Marshall widow.
1911 Thomas had died and Ellen is still at family home 30,Marshall Street. With her is Reuben (Susan's husband) Ellen filled in the form by the looks of it and she maybe assumed he was born the same place as her husband Thomas.
The only strange thing is why did he marry as Herbert and sign it Herbert and say he was born Poplar.
A tree on Ancestry has Rueben and Thomas son of Thomas 1811 Lincs and Mary,who according to 1851 census were living seperately.
Maryb.
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1861 HARRIS, David Head Married M 42 1819 ... Portwood, Hampshire HARRIS, Ellen H Wife Married F 31 1830 ... Wife South Wales ABBOTT, Edward Servant Unmarried M 18 1843 ...Groom Timberland, Lincolnshire Piece: 3568 Folio: 13 Page: 19 Registration District: Beverley Civil Parish: St Mary Municipal Borough: Beverley Address: East Riding Milota Depot, North Bar Street, St Mary, Beverley County: Yorkshire (East riding)
(is this fitting anywhere?, bit confused!)
Chris :)
1851 (as mentioned) ABBOTT, Mary Wife Married F 40 1811 Ag Labourer Timberland, Lincolnshire ABBOTT, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Timberland, Lincolnshire ABBOTT, Barrons Son M 13 1838 Timberland, Lincolnshire ABBOTT, Ruben Son M 10 1841 Scholar Timberland, Lincolnshire ABBOTT, William Son M 6 1845 Scholar Timberland, Lincolnshire ABBOTT, Thomas Son M 4 1847 Scholar Timberland, Lincolnshire Piece: 2100 Folio: 99 Page: 25 Registration District: Sleaford Civil Parish: Timberland Municipal Borough: Address: Dales, Timberland County: Lincolnshire
1871 ABBOTT, Edward Head M 27 1844 Middlesex (Ship Plater) ABBOTT, Susan Wife F 24 1847 Devon ABBOTT, Mary Jane Daughter F 3 1868 Yorkshire ABBOTT, Thomas Brother M 24 1847 Lincolnshire Piece: 4889 Folio: 76 Page: 36 Registration District: Stockton Civil Parish: Middlesbrough Municipal Borough: Middlesbrough Address: Bottle House Cottages, Middlesbrough County: Durham
1901 ABBOTT, Ed Head Married M 55 1846 Shipyard Helper London ABBOTT, Susan Wife Married F 50 1851 Ive Bridge, Devonshire ABBOTT, Ed Son Single M 20 1881 Ship Plater Mbro, Yorkshire ABBOTT, Chas Son Single M 16 1885 Moulder Mbro, Yorkshire ABBOTT, Rose Daughter Single F 14 1887 Mbro, Yorkshire Piece: 4575 Folio: 84 Page: 38 Registration District: Middlesbrough Civil Parish: Middlesbrough Municipal Borough: Address: 1, Battle Houses, Middlesbrough County: Yorkshire (North riding)
1911 ABBOTT, Susan Head Married47 years F 64 1847 Teignmouth Devon ABBOTT, Charles Son Single M 28 1883 Iron Founder Middlesbrough Yorkshire RG number: RG14 Piece: 29243 Reference: RG14PN29243 RG78PN1695 RD535 SD2 ED5 SN39 Registration District: Middlesbrough Sub District: Middlesbrough East Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Middlesbrough Address: 20 Borough Road E Middlesbrough County: Yorkshire (North riding)
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You say that Edward Reuben Abbott is your gt. grandfather. Which child of his is your grandparent?
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I don't think the man in the 1911 census at Middlesbrough is the same one. He says he has been married 36 years (which would put the marriage at about 1875) whereas if your man married Susan Louisa Churchwood that was in 1866.
You need to work backwards from yourself from details you KNOW are correct. Go from your parents to your grandparents and so on. How far back are you absolutely certain of?
Kath. x
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This would be birth of Reuben
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1841 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abbott Reuben Sleaford 14 480
Andy
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1911 England Census
Name: Reuben Abbott Junior Age in 1911: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Marton, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Middlesbrough County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding Country: England Street Address: 30 Marshall St Middlesbro Marital Status: Married Occupation: Farmer Registration district: Middlesbrough Registration District Number: 535 Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough West ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Piece: 29291 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Abbott 64 Reuben Abbott 20 Reuben Abbott 64 Arthur Andrews 34 Im guessing this is him? So, the man marrying Susan was an engineer and this man is a farmer?
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How do you know Herbert is your 'Edward' Abbott?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Herbert Abbott<<< Engineer Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Susan Louisa Churchward Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 16 Aug 1866 Parish: Poplar All Saints Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Thomas Abbott Farmer Spouse Father Name: William Churchward Vitular Register Type: Parish Register
Wit: ? Johnson & ? Johnson When was Edward born?
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My g.grandfather Edward Reuben ABBOTT living in Middlsbrough in the 1911 census declares his birth place as Lincolnshire. However, in previous census returns from 1851 to 1901 he declares his birthplace as POPLAR. Middlesex. He marries in Whitechapel in 1866 to Susan Louisa Churchward, but declares himself as HERBERT ABBOTT, from here I track him to Hull where they have their first child MARY JAN|E (1867) and then onward to 1871 in Middlesbrough.where he becomes Edward Abbott. His burial records show him as Edward Reuben Abbott age 81 in 1923. The only Reuben I can find is in Lincolnshire in 1851 and his brothers William and Thomas who declare their birthplace as Timberland or Kirkstead but they also end up in Middlesbrough. My conundrum is this:- Is Reuben Abbott born 1841 in Timberland my g.grandfather rather than someone born in Poplar?? I have to make sure - before I can go backward in time. Maybe someone out there can help? : :-)
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