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Caroline
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1 Feb 2013 20:54 |
Am looking for any information on the following please:
Name: Richard George Foreman Born: 1908 Place of birth: Whitstable, Kent Died: 07th August 1986 in Whitstable, Kent Father: Thomas HW Foreman Mother: Florence C Foreman nee Caplin
Also looking for a christening/baptism notice for:
Name: Florence Charlotte Foreman nee Caplin Born: c1886 Place of birth: St. Pancras/Mile End area Died: 16th January 1940 in Whitstable, Kent Father: Edward Caplin Mother: Charlotte Caplin nee Read
Many thanks in advance Caroline
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1 Feb 2013 20:55 |
You have births deaths and parents so what info are you looking for ?
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1 Feb 2013 20:59 |
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Name: Charlotte Florence Caplin Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1886 Registration district: Islington Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 381
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1 Feb 2013 21:04 |
Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%) Caplin Florence C Blean 2a 2007 Foreman Thomas H W Blean 2a 2007
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1 Feb 2013 21:10 |
Hello Mike
Am not sure on the Richard John Foreman - i just need something to ensure i am on the right track, finding the birthdate as 1908 is a complete surprise as he wasnt supposed to have been born until 1910/1911.
I was wondering if a baptism notice might have anything which would help me.
And The Florence Caplin is my granny. We have never known whether her name is Florence Charlotte or Charlotte Florence. Also, she was admitted to the St Pancras workhouse school in Leavesden and was baptised there in 1900 as Florence Charlotte Caplin...on her wedding certificate her name is Florence Charlotte Caplin. I cannot find a Florence Charlotte Caplin born circa 1886 in the Mile End/St Pancras areas of London.
I know her parents were married in St Pancras in 1886 and that her mother went on to other marriages in both Limehouse and Mile End.
thank you for your help
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1 Feb 2013 21:14 |
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Florence Caplin Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Edward Caplin Mother's Name: Charlotte Caplin Gender: Female Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: St Lukes Mile End Old Town County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
Edward Caplin 34 - Westminster Charlotte Caplin 24 Florence Caplin 5 Rosina M Caplin 2 Ellis C Caplin 2/12 Does she name her father as Edward on her marriage cert ?
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Caroline
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1 Feb 2013 21:20 |
Thanks Mike - i searched and couldnt find that!!
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1 Feb 2013 21:25 |
marriage Florence C Caplin Oct-Nov-Dec 1910 - Blean Kent Thomas H W Foreman Oct-Nov-Dec 1910- Blean Kent
No birth for Florence Charlotte Read
( just eliminating the thought that Florence might have been born as Read)
Marriages Sep 1886 CAPLIN Edward - Pancras 1b 135 Read Charlotte - Pancras 1b 135
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1 Feb 2013 21:43 |
Births Sep 1908 FOREMAN Richard George - Blean 2a 1019
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he appears to be with parents Richard and Nellie
Richard Foreman Age in 1911: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Whitstable, Kent Civil parish: Margate St John the Baptist County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: 38 Victoria Road, Margate Registration district: Thanet Registration District Number: 63 Sub-registration district: Margate
Frederick E Farrier 49 - widower Arthur Farrier 17 - son Richard Foreman 35 - nephew Nelly Foreman 33 - wife ( of Richard I presume, seeng as Frederick is a widower) ) Winifred Foreman 14 George Foreman 9 Dorothy Foreman 6 Richard Foreman 2 <<<<<<<<<<<< Elsie Foreman 8/12 Margaret Shingleston 17
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1 Feb 2013 21:47 |
Richard born 1908 is NOT their child
1911 - original says married under one year NO CHILDREN
Name: Florence Foreman Age in 1911: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Swanscombe County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: 10 Swanscombe Street, Swanscombe, Greenhithe, Kent Marital Status: Married Years Married: 1 Estimated Marriage Year: 1910 Registration district: Dartford
Thomas Henry Foreman 23 Florence Foreman 24
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Caroline
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1 Feb 2013 21:51 |
good thinking - i did wonder whether she may have been born out of wedlock.
I have her marriage certificate and lots of details of her parents but Florence is almost a mystery. She never celebrated a birthday or spoke of her childhood and she died when my mum (her daughter) was only 17.
Would love to fill some of the blanks in - especially for my mum who is now 90, as she adored her mum but knew so little about her. Mum didnt know that Florence spent time as a scholar at the workhouse school until i found it here.
So sad.
Thanks again
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1 Feb 2013 21:55 |
I think their son was Richard John (not George) and his DOB is 10 years out
Births Jun 1918 Foreman Richard J - Caplin- Blean 2a 1494
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Richard J Foreman Birth 1918 in Blean, Kent, England
parents Thomas Henry Wright Foreman 1888 – 1962 Charlotte Florence Caplin 1886 – 1940
1937 Marriage to Emily Jane M Smith
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Caroline
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1 Feb 2013 22:04 |
oh my goodness! You fab detective you!!
He was indeed married to Emily Smith - my mum couldnt stand her LOL.
Do you see how the Florence/Charlotte is changed throughout? On the wedding certificate, she is DEFINITELY called Florence...confusion inc!
Thanks Mike, you're brilliant!!
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1 Feb 2013 22:09 |
Florence's father with HIS father
1881
name: Edward Caplin age: 24 gender: Male birth year: 1857 birthplace: Westminster, Middlesex, England relationship to head of household: Son marital condition: Single profession/occupation: Engraver Founder (Artizan) address: 12 Grosvenor St
head Edward Caplin 46 - Crane Maker _ Camden Town, Middlesex, England son Edward Caplin 24 - Engraver - Westminster, Middlesex, England ,,,, ( Florence's dad)
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1 Feb 2013 22:21 |
1881 does say Crane maker for Edward senior but it appears that may have been how the personfilling in the form heard it said. ( the householders didn't complete the forms themselves until 1911)
He was actually a TAILOR'S CRAYON MAKER
1871
Name: Edward Caplin Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Gray
Edward Caplin 36 - widower - Tailors crayon maker SON Edward Caplin 10 - engraver ....... ( original actually says aged 14) DAU Margaret Caplin 12 - scholar
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1 Feb 2013 22:26 |
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Name: Edward Caplin Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Caplin Gender: Male Where born: Kentish Town, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
Edward Caplin 26 - tailors crayon maker Martha Caplin 25 - wife - born St Clement Middlesex Edward Caplin 4 Margaret Caplin 2 William Pleasance 67 - father-in-law -born Newmarket St Mary, Cambridgeshire
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Caroline
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1 Feb 2013 22:48 |
yep, got Florences fathers line - go back to 1700 and froze to death there - he was easy!!
Florence has been quite hard because she never spoke of her life, never celebrated birthdays, never had contact with her mother after the age of 12 - so much was missing.
Am grateful Mike, thank you
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Caroline
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1 Feb 2013 22:54 |
The address you have given me for Florence and Thomas on the 1911 census would work well/ Thomas used to run a Thames barge, so living in Greenhithe would make sense as its righrt opposite Tilbury docks.
Thanks again
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