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Foreman/Caplin help please

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Caroline

Caroline Report 1 Feb 2013 20:54


Am looking for any information on the following please:

Name: Richard George Foreman
Born: 1908
Place of birth: Whitstable, Kent
Died: 07th August 1986 in Whitstable, Kent
Father: Thomas HW Foreman
Mother: Florence C Foreman nee Caplin

Also looking for a christening/baptism notice for:

Name: Florence Charlotte Foreman nee Caplin
Born: c1886
Place of birth: St. Pancras/Mile End area
Died: 16th January 1940 in Whitstable, Kent
Father: Edward Caplin
Mother: Charlotte Caplin nee Read

Many thanks in advance
Caroline

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 20:55

You have births deaths and parents so what info are you looking for ?

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 20:59


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Name: Charlotte Florence Caplin
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1886
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 381

safc

safc Report 1 Feb 2013 21:04

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Caplin Florence C Blean 2a 2007
Foreman Thomas H W Blean 2a 2007

Caroline

Caroline Report 1 Feb 2013 21:10

Hello Mike

Am not sure on the Richard John Foreman - i just need something to ensure i am on the right track, finding the birthdate as 1908 is a complete surprise as he wasnt supposed to have been born until 1910/1911.

I was wondering if a baptism notice might have anything which would help me.

And The Florence Caplin is my granny. We have never known whether her name is Florence Charlotte or Charlotte Florence. Also, she was admitted to the St Pancras workhouse school in Leavesden and was baptised there in 1900 as Florence Charlotte Caplin...on her wedding certificate her name is Florence Charlotte Caplin. I cannot find a Florence Charlotte Caplin born circa 1886 in the Mile End/St Pancras areas of London.

I know her parents were married in St Pancras in 1886 and that her mother went on to other marriages in both Limehouse and Mile End.

thank you for your help

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 21:14

1891

Florence Caplin
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward Caplin
Mother's Name: Charlotte Caplin
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lukes Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern


Edward Caplin 34 - Westminster
Charlotte Caplin 24
Florence Caplin 5
Rosina M Caplin 2
Ellis C Caplin 2/12

Does she name her father as Edward on her marriage cert ?

Caroline

Caroline Report 1 Feb 2013 21:20

Thanks Mike - i searched and couldnt find that!!

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 21:25

marriage
Florence C Caplin Oct-Nov-Dec 1910 - Blean Kent
Thomas H W Foreman Oct-Nov-Dec 1910- Blean Kent

No birth for Florence Charlotte Read

( just eliminating the thought that Florence might have been born as Read)


Marriages Sep 1886
CAPLIN Edward - Pancras 1b 135
Read Charlotte - Pancras 1b 135

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 21:43

Births Sep 1908
FOREMAN Richard George - Blean 2a 1019

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Are you sure he was Florence's son ?

he appears to be with parents Richard and Nellie



Richard Foreman
Age in 1911: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Whitstable, Kent
Civil parish: Margate St John the Baptist
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 38 Victoria Road, Margate
Registration district: Thanet
Registration District Number: 63
Sub-registration district: Margate

Frederick E Farrier 49 - widower
Arthur Farrier 17 - son
Richard Foreman 35 - nephew
Nelly Foreman 33 - wife ( of Richard I presume, seeng as Frederick is a widower) )
Winifred Foreman 14
George Foreman 9
Dorothy Foreman 6
Richard Foreman 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Elsie Foreman 8/12
Margaret Shingleston 17

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 21:47

Richard born 1908 is NOT their child

1911 - original says married under one year NO CHILDREN

Name: Florence Foreman
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Swanscombe
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Swanscombe Street, Swanscombe, Greenhithe, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Registration district: Dartford


Thomas Henry Foreman 23
Florence Foreman 24

Caroline

Caroline Report 1 Feb 2013 21:51

good thinking - i did wonder whether she may have been born out of wedlock.

I have her marriage certificate and lots of details of her parents but Florence is almost a mystery. She never celebrated a birthday or spoke of her childhood and she died when my mum (her daughter) was only 17.

Would love to fill some of the blanks in - especially for my mum who is now 90, as she adored her mum but knew so little about her. Mum didnt know that Florence spent time as a scholar at the workhouse school until i found it here.

So sad.

Thanks again

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 21:55

I think their son was Richard John (not George) and his DOB is 10 years out


Births Jun 1918
Foreman Richard J - Caplin- Blean 2a 1494

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Richard J Foreman
Birth 1918 in Blean, Kent, England

parents
Thomas Henry Wright Foreman 1888 – 1962
Charlotte Florence Caplin 1886 – 1940


1937
Marriage to Emily Jane M Smith


Caroline

Caroline Report 1 Feb 2013 22:04

oh my goodness! You fab detective you!!

He was indeed married to Emily Smith - my mum couldnt stand her LOL.

Do you see how the Florence/Charlotte is changed throughout? On the wedding certificate, she is DEFINITELY called Florence...confusion inc!

Thanks Mike, you're brilliant!!

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 22:09

Florence's father with HIS father

1881

name: Edward Caplin
age: 24
gender: Male
birth year: 1857
birthplace: Westminster, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Engraver Founder (Artizan)
address: 12 Grosvenor St


head Edward Caplin 46 - Crane Maker _ Camden Town, Middlesex, England
son Edward Caplin 24 - Engraver - Westminster, Middlesex, England ,,,, ( Florence's dad)

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 22:21

1881 does say Crane maker for Edward senior but it appears that may have been how the personfilling in the form heard it said. ( the householders didn't complete the forms themselves until 1911)

He was actually a TAILOR'S CRAYON MAKER


1871

Name: Edward Caplin
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835

Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Gray

Edward Caplin 36 - widower - Tailors crayon maker
SON Edward Caplin 10 - engraver ....... ( original actually says aged 14)
DAU Margaret Caplin 12 - scholar


Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 22:26


1861

Name: Edward Caplin
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Caplin
Gender: Male
Where born: Kentish Town, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court

Edward Caplin 26 - tailors crayon maker
Martha Caplin 25 - wife - born St Clement Middlesex
Edward Caplin 4
Margaret Caplin 2
William Pleasance 67 - father-in-law -born Newmarket St Mary, Cambridgeshire


Caroline

Caroline Report 1 Feb 2013 22:48

yep, got Florences fathers line - go back to 1700 and froze to death there - he was easy!!

Florence has been quite hard because she never spoke of her life, never celebrated birthdays, never had contact with her mother after the age of 12 - so much was missing.

Am grateful Mike, thank you

Caroline

Caroline Report 1 Feb 2013 22:54

The address you have given me for Florence and Thomas on the 1911 census would work well/ Thomas used to run a Thames barge, so living in Greenhithe would make sense as its righrt opposite Tilbury docks.

Thanks again