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ancesters born with no name

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mark

mark Report 1 Feb 2013 22:21

how do I go about finding an ancestor who was born without a Christian name,she was born in 1891 and was 0 years of age and classed as a juvenile. can anybody help me :-) :-)

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Feb 2013 22:24

Mark, I suggest you put a bit more detail on here. I assume you have her on a census? If so, have you found the family 10 years later to see who she might be?
Jan

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 1 Feb 2013 22:26

Look for the birth on the index using the surname only, The last entry to that surname will have any children listed as MALE or FEMALE if the child was registered without a forename

if your looking at transcribed entries then just enter "female" for the forename

Roy

Reggie

Reggie Report 1 Feb 2013 22:32

Look for the family in the 1901 census.....see if there is a 10-year old daughter

Look for a baptism

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 Feb 2013 22:33

How can she be an ancestor if you do not know the name

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 1 Feb 2013 22:38

If the info came from the census then it would normally give age in months for children under 1 year old but if this info said 0 years then the child could still have been born in 1890 and not necessarily born in 91



Roy

mark

mark Report 2 Feb 2013 22:41

Hi Reggie thanks for your reply I will look into this further

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Feb 2013 22:57

Sounds as if it was a newborn who hadnt been given a name at that time look on FreeBMD for a birth in the same quarter for the surname You can double check any name by looking at the 1901 census as advised by Reggie

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 2 Feb 2013 22:59

1891 is this the right family as you mention 8 children in your pm

Name: Summers
Age: 4/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Beasley Summers
Mother's Name: Hannah Summers
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 72
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2413
Folio: 114
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
William Beasley Summers 43
Hannah Summers 39
Thomas Summers 18
Edwin Summers 12
Nellie Summers 4 - probably age 11
George Summers 9
Anne Summers 8
John Summers 7
Frederick Summers 6
Summers 4/12

Class: RG12; Piece: 2413; Folio: 114; Page: 29; GSU roll: 6097523.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 2 Feb 2013 23:01

1901 of no use

Name: William B Summer
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Saltley St Saviour
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 2879
Folio: 117
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
William B Summer 53
Annie Summer 17
Frederick Summer 16


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Feb 2013 23:13

??
Births Dec 1890
Summers Edith Birmingham 6d 142
Births Mar 1891
SUMMERS Nellie Amelia Birmingham 6d 86

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 2 Feb 2013 23:35

Can anyone else take a look at the original 1891 census for the family of William Beasley Summers as posted above?
The child is definitley a newborn but I cannot read what it says in the age column.
I am sure it says either 11 days or hours
A score from previous entry has passed through the number 11 and has made it look like a number 4
1891 census was taken 5/6 April and this child was possibly born between the end Mar and begining of Apr 1891

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 2 Feb 2013 23:43

Who did William marry as earlier census the wife is Caroline but Hannah in 1891

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 2 Feb 2013 23:51

Re the image - wouldn't like to commit. All the ages have been crossed through which may mean that there isn't really a downward stroke which you think may be the y in day.

Try comparing the first visible letter with the d at the end of the word Head, and the h from the middle of Scholar.

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Feb 2013 00:01

If the child had not been named by the date of the census which was Sunday 5th April 1891, then she must only have been given a name AFTER the March quarter so wouldn't have been registered before then as there are no unnamed females in the Dec 1890 or March 1891 quarters.


So form the June 1891 quarter there are...


Summers Emily - Birmingham 6d 160
Summers Ethel May - Aston 6d 260
Summers Florence Dorothy - King's N. 6c 466
Summers Minnie - Aston 6d 278


and I notice the family are living in ASTON on the 1891 census

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Feb 2013 00:07

If she was Minnie then perhaps this explains why she doesn't appear in 1901


Name: Minnie Summers
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 155


The death cert would name the parents

mark

mark Report 4 Feb 2013 11:59

Absoluteley fab thank you all for the information i will now go and start lookihg all this up . once again thank you all !