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I'm at a complete loss with William

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Margaret

Margaret Report 25 Feb 2013 09:36

I am trying to sort out the above William Chandler b. 1814 Devizes, Wiltshire (according to 1851 census). He is listed with wife Mary b. 1806 Devizes and offspring Julia 1832, George 1836 and William T 1845 all born Devizes but living Paddington, London. By 1861 Mary is described as a widow. That is as far as I have got. I cannot positively identify William on 1841 census, neither can I find a marriage or death for him. The trouble appears to be that there are several William Chandlers having been born in Wiltshire and as I have no idea of his parents christian names, I am at a loss. Has anyone any ideas how I can pin this gent down ? Thanks.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 10:06

Just posting 1851 for our reference:

CHANDLER, William Head Married M 37 1814 Harness Maker Devizes, Wiltshire
CHANDLER, Mary Wife F 45 1806 Devizes, Wiltshire
CHANDLER, George Son M 15 1836 No Employ Devizes, Wiltshire
CHANDLER, William Son M 8 1843 Scholar Devizes, Wiltshire

Piece: 1466 Folio: 92 Page: 42
Registration District: Kensington
Civil Parish: Paddington
Municipal Borough: Marylebone

Address: 14, Wharf, Paddington, Marylebone County: Middlesex

Have checked the original and there's no mention of a Julia?
EDIT: (Found her in lodgings in Marylebone, a seamstress)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 10:16

Margaret, how have you connected to William? That may help us.

Is this the 1861 you refer to?

CHANDLER, Mary Head Widow F 53 1808 Marden, Wiltshire
CHANDLER, Julia Daughter Unmarried F 29 1832 Dressmaker Devizes, Wiltshire
CHANDLER, William Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Harness Maker Devizes, Wiltshire
SCARF, Mary A Niece Unmarried F 7 1854 Paddington, Middlesex
BATTIE, Emily Niece Unmarried F 1 (16M) 1860 Paddington, Middlesex

Piece: 3 Folio: 159 Page: 27
Registration District: Kensington
Civil Parish: Paddington

Address: 32, North Wharf Road Roadroad, Paddington County: London

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 25 Feb 2013 10:20

1841
Name: William Chandler (Occ Harness maker)
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Bishops Cannings
Hundred: Potterne and Cannings
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Devizes
Sub-registration district: Devizes
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1184
Book: 2
Folio: 25
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Chandler 20
Mary Chandler 25
George Chandler 3
Matilda West 13
Julia West 11
Sarah West 9

Margaret

Margaret Report 25 Feb 2013 10:20

Yes MarieCeleste - the 1861 is how I discovered that there was a daughter Julia. I have tried tracing William via Julia but have made no progress. Thanks for trying to help

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 10:23

Looks like Julia could be a stepdaughter going by that 1841

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 25 Feb 2013 10:25

The most likely scenario is that Julia is Mary's daughter from a previous relationship rather than Williams daughter.

Remember that ages of those over 15 were rounded down so Mary could have been as old as 29 in 1841. N.B. in 1861 Mary is recorded as being born c1808.

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 25 Feb 2013 10:27

Name: William Chandler
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Mary West
Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1837
Marriage Place: Calne, Wiltshire, England

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 25 Feb 2013 10:46

Its a case of take your pick regarding William Chandlers death but I am guessing that he is likely to be one of these:

Deaths Dec 1853
Chandler William Kensington 1a 77
Deaths Mar 1856
CHANDLER William Kensington 1a 4
Deaths Dec 1858
Chandler William Kensington 1a 22
Deaths Mar 1861
CHANDLER William Kensington 1a 6

Unfortunately all occurred before age at death appeared in the index.

Margaret

Margaret Report 25 Feb 2013 10:49

I've had to be away from computer for a short while as other half arrived home for a quick coffee so have only just seen the information from Jonesy - what a star. How on earth you found all this is beyond me as I have spent ages and ages. Thank you so much - I am sitting here grinning like a cheshire cat. A multitude of thanks to Jonesy and MarieCeleste.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 16:09

I may be digressing a bit I thought I'd follow up the two little "nieces" (that term can sometimes be used for other relationships) on the 1861 to see if they gave any clues. Found this:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Emily Battie
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Jul 1860 (born 28 Nov 1859)
Father's Name: William Hawksworth Battie - Chemists assistant
Mother's name: Julia Battie
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington Green St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: North Whey Road

The 1861 census was taken 07/04/1861 so the birth date of 28/11/1859 fits the 16 months on the census.

On the actual image of the baptism the surname Battie has been written over another name and I'm pretty sure that name was West.

I also think the North Whey Road on the baptism is the North Wharf Road as on the 1861.

Looks like Julia had a child and then returned home.

EDIT: There's loads of info on William Hawksworth Battie, he married Margaret Wagstaffe in 1849, had lots of children and died in 1876 (still married to Margaret). So he wasn't in a position to make an honest woman of Julia but at least acknowledged paternity.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 16:28

If anyone else wants to take a look at that 1860 baptism and see what the surname is then it might tie the 1861 census to the 1841 even more.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 16:31

Possibly the baptism of Matilda on the 1841:

Matila West, "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"

name: Matila West
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 25 May 1828
baptism/christening place: SOUTHBROOM ST JAMES,WILTSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Thomas West
mother's name: Mary

indexing project (batch) number: C05915-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 950261, 950262, 950263
reference number:

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBCR-95F
_______________________________________________________________

and Julia:

Julia West, "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"

name: Julia West
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 14 Mar 1830
baptism/christening place: SOUTHBROOM ST JAMES,WILTSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Thomas West
mother's name: Mary

indexing project (batch) number: C05915-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 950261, 950262, 950263
reference number:

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N5TL-TV1

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 25 Feb 2013 18:37

I agree with MC re the 1860 baptism it was West before being crossed out and changed to Battie. The address is North Wharf road.

Mary

Mary Report 25 Feb 2013 19:28

William Chandler 1845 married Jessie bruce in 1869 witness John Scaife.

This is Mary Ann Scaife/Scarf niece off 1861 census.
John Scaife born 1818 barnsley married Julia WEST 1/5/1853 Paddington her dad was thomas west and witnesses were George and mary Chandles address at the time North Wharf Street.

1871 Paddington St Mary D18 > 60
John Scaife 1821 Barnsley Yorkshire
Julia born Devizes Wiltshire
Mary Scaife 17
Emily 12 (Emily Battie)

Maryb.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 19:32

Good find Mary.

Looking at the original image of Julia's wedding it was actually 15 May 1853, not 1st.

Hmm, so did she have a bit of a "holiday" from the marriage?!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Mary Jane Scaife
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Sep 1854 (born 2 May 1854)
Father's Name: John Scaife - Labourer
Mother's name: Julia Scaife
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington Green St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Mary

Mary Report 25 Feb 2013 19:57

Mary and Emily Scaife had a double wedding 25/12/1879
Emily married John Albert Tomkins and Mary married George Pack.

1891 Julia with EmilyTtomkins,Julia is a widow and maybe died 1897 in Paddington.

Maryb.

Margaret

Margaret Report 26 Feb 2013 10:21

MarieCeleste and Mary - thank you for the interesting facts you have come up with. I have added the info re Julia's illeg child and her subsequent upbringing withthe scaifes to my tree as it makes interesting reading.