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finding relatives when i have no one to ask.

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vanessa

vanessa Report 4 Mar 2013 15:32

i have made a tree of myself, mother, father, sister. and paternal grandparents. but i have no more knowledge than that and i have no relatives i am in contact with to ask. can anyone advise me what i can do please?

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 4 Mar 2013 15:34

Welcome to the message boards.

You need then to obtain copies of birth and marriage certificates to make further progress.

E.G. Your parents birth certificates will give you both their parents names. Their parents marriage certificates will give you the name of their father, their age at marriage ect.

There are some very useful tips threads for beginners on the message boards such as:

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191812

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1318489

Click on and read them, they should help you.

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Dea

Dea Report 4 Mar 2013 16:06

Hi Vanessa,

We have to be careful not to put the details of any 'living' people on here so firstly, are your parents and maternal grandparents still alive?

If not, do you want to give us the details and we can help you make a start.

If they are, do you want to send me the details by private message (just click on my name and type the message in the box and send it to me). - I could then take a look for you.

Dea x

trailertrash

trailertrash Report 4 Mar 2013 16:07

Hi Vanessa,

once you get back further than 1911 you can make use of the census returns which have a wealth of information. You do not say if your grandparents are still living, or if you know when and where they married. Be aware of personal privacy for anyone still living, so do not post personal details, ie date of birth, children etc.

If you want any further help just ask, someone will help you

Lesley

sorry Dea, have duplicated some of your post, didn't see it before I posted...

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Mar 2013 16:09

It is not necessary to have anyone to ask......

You can research your family yourself using the facts you are sure of as a basis.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

........is a good place to start.

When I started doing FH in 2001, I hadn't had any contact with any relatives since 1956.......I've got back to the late 1700's using only the internet

trailertrash

trailertrash Report 4 Mar 2013 16:21

Nice to be able to ask for advice though rather than for someone to do it for you. There is so much to learn especially in the beginning.. I hadn't heard of familysearch.org and many other sites,until some kind soul let me know...

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Mar 2013 17:05

I see, Vanessa, that you have your mother in your GR tree with a birth year of 1932.

There is no birth for her name on freebmd in that year............and it would have meant that she was barely 16 when she married.

The best thing for you to do is to get your parents' marriage cert............you'll find out her correct age, and her father's name, which will mean you can look for her birth and work from there.

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Mar 2013 17:06

To give you kick-start............on your paternal side

1911 census


Person: GREEN, Hedley Address: Carloggas St Austell Cornwall

GREEN, James Head Married15 years M 39 1872 Waggoner On Farm Cornwall St Austell Hallaze VIEW
GREEN, Elizabeth Wife F 36 1875 Cornwall St Austell Wadebridge VIEW
GREEN, Clara Daughter F 10 1901 School Cornwall St Austell VIEW
*******GREEN, Hedley Son M 19 1892 School Cornwall Penwithick St Austell VIEW
BUNKER, James Boarder M 32 1879 Clay Labourer Makinnow VIEW
BRICE, William Boarder M 28 1883 Clay Labourer Makinnow


*******Age is wrong........his birth was registered in 1902..........second forename James

Found on FMP.....which is not one of the free sites

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Mar 2013 17:16

from http://v1.cornwall-opc-database.org/personsearchdb.php


More information about record 954064 in the Baptisms database
Day Month 15-Aug
Year 1900
Parish Or Reg District Treverbyn
Forename Clara
Surname GREEN
Sex dau
Father Forename James
Mother Forename Bessie
Residence Stents
Father Rank Profession driver



1901 census transcription details for: Penwithick Stents, St Austell Rural, Penwithick
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2211
Folio: 160
Page: 25
Reg. District: St Austell
Sub District: St Austell
Parish: St Austell Rural
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District: Treverbyn St Peter
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Penwithick Stents, St Austell Rural, Penwithick
County: Cornwall
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GREEN, James Head Married M 28 1873 Horse Driver
St Austell, Cornwall
GREEN, Bessie Wife Married F 27 1874
Bodmin, Cornwall
GREEN, Clara Daughter Single F 0 (10 MOS) 1901
St Austell, Cornwall

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Mar 2013 17:19

??
Marriages - Details of record ID 742003:
Parish or Registration District: Bodmin
Date: 29-Jun 1895
GROOM: James GREEN
Groom's age: 23
Groom's condition: bachelor
Groom's rank/profession: Labourer
Groom's residence: Treverbyn
>>Father: Thomas
Father's rank/profession: Labourer
BRIDE: Bessie SLEEMAN
Bride's age: 21
Bride's condition: spinster
Bride's rank/profession:
Bride's residence: Crockwell St, Bodmin
>>Father: James
Father's rank/profession: Labourer
Banns(B) or Licence(L): B
Groom Signed(S) or Marked(M): S
Bride Signed(S) or Marked(M): S
Witness 1: James Sleeman
Witness 2: Emma Philips


From http://www.cornwall-opc.org/index.htm

vanessa

vanessa Report 6 Mar 2013 10:27

hi firstly let me thank you for replying. i am not very genned up on computers so am finding it hard. i dont understand the credit system and i have used some and still no wiser ha ha. my parents are both deceased as are both sides of grandparents. my fathers brother is also. but i know nothing at all about my maternal side as she left my dad when i was small. i have a sister but the last i knew was she was living in rieti italy back in 1986 when my dad died. so i do not know if she is still alive. my dads details are as follows, cecil eric green (had a brother called trevor aubrey, deceased, unsure of born or death dates) born 1925 died 1986, married faith sanders unsure when but in the 50's. paternal grandfather. hedley james green born 1900 died 1971. paternal grandmother irene smith born around 1900 and died approx 1973/74. my paternal side are all from st.austell cornwall u.k and my maternal side were from york u.k my mother had a brother that i think was called stephen/steven and i think she had a sister. my own sister is ann michelle green unsure if she married. was born in 1951 also in cornwall, and as i said she was last known to be in italy where i presume she still is as she moved there in the 70's. sorry but this is all the information i have x

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 6 Mar 2013 10:38

Your parents marriage

Marriages Mar 1948
Green Cecil E Sanders St. Austell 7a 347
Sanders Faith Green St. Austell 7a 347

A copy of the certificate will hopefully give you your mother's fathers name and occupation.

Most likely your mothers birth registration (A bit older than you thought):

Name: Faith Sanders
Mother's Maiden Surname: Shaw
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1929
Registration district: York
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 55

Your maternal grandparents marriage??

Marriages Dec 1925
Sanders Samuel Shaw York 9d 114
Shaw Rose Sanders York 9d 114

Just possibilities for Rose Shaw:

Her birth???:
Births Dec 1891
Shaw Margaret Rose York 9d 19

1911???:
Name: Rose Shaw
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Dringhouses Without and Middlethorpe Without
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Northfield Terrace Dringhouses York
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Chocolate Packer
Registration district: York
Registration District Number: 517
Sub-registration district: Bishopthorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 28449
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lawrence Shaw 50 born York
Theresa Shaw 49 born Cowick, Yorkshire
Charles Shaw 22
Rose Shaw 19
Agnes Shaw 16
Mary Shaw 13
John Shaw 9
Thomas Lawrence Shaw 7

Her death???:
Name: Rose Sanders
Birth Date: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: York
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2d
Page: 960

Your maternal uncle's birth registration???

Name: Stevon Sanders
Mother's Maiden Surname: Shaw
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Registration district: Gt Ouseburn
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 115

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 6 Mar 2013 11:03

England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
about Trevor A Green
Name: Trevor A Green
Mother's Maiden Surname: Smith
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1927
Registration district: St Austell
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 131


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Trevor A Green
Name: Trevor A Green
Spouse Name: Clarice H Polkinghorne
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1946
Registration district: St Austell
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 171

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 6 Mar 2013 11:20

Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
GREEN Hedley J Smith St.Austell 5c 235
Smith Irene Green St.Austell 5c 235


Possibly........

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Irene Smith
Name: Irene Smith
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1902
Registration district: St Austell
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 83



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
about Irene Green
Name: Irene Green
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1902
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1975
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Bodmin
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 21
Page: 0044





Household transcription
1911 census
Person: SMITH, Irene
Address: New Street Bugle Near St Austell Cornwall

SMITH, John Head Married21 years M 40 1871 Clay Labourer Lincoln Spalding VIEW
SMITH, Annie Wife Married21 years F 40 1871 Cornwall Roche VIEW
SMITH, Michael Son M 12 1899 School Cornwall Roche VIEW
SMITH, Irene Daughter F 9 1902 School Cornwall St Austell VIEW
SMITH, Olive Daughter F 2 1909 Cornwall Lanivet VIEW
CREBA, William Boarder Single M 29 1882 Carman Cornwall Tregonissey VIEW
TAYLOR, John Boarder Single M 22 1889 Clay Labourer Sussex Brighton VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 13770
Reference: RG14PN13770 RG78PN814 RD295 SD2 ED17 SN10
Registration District: St Austell
Sub District: St Austell
Enumeration District: 17
Parish: St Austell Rural
Address: New Street Bugle Near St Austell Cornwall
County: Cornwall
(9 children born, 4 living, 5 had died)



1901 England Census
about Mike Smith
Name: Mike Smith
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Smith
Mother's name: Annie Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Roche, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Roche
Ecclesiastical parish: Roche
Town: Hallen
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Austell
Sub-registration district: St Austell
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Piece: 2212
Folio: 83
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 31
Annie Smith 30
May Smith 4
Mike Smith 2
Johnny Smith 8 Months
Harry Woon 20 (Brother)


??
Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
Smith John James Plympton 5b 337
Woon Annie Plympton 5b 337

Annie's Brother Harry Woon appears as James H Woon in the 1891 census........


Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
WOON James Henry St. Austell 5c 124


Parents marriage.....

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Knight Sabina St Austell 5c 178
WOON Henry St Austell 5c 178


Sabina Knight is a servant for Henry Woon in the 1871 census.........3 children have been transcribed with the surname "Knight". Probably because Sabina and Henry didn't marry until 1877.
The three children appear with the surname of "Woon" in the 1881 census and their births were actually registered with the surname of "Woon"


1871 England Census
about Henry Woon
Name: Henry Woon
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Roche, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Roche
Town: Carbis Common
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: St Austell
Sub-registration district: St Austell
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 2267
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Woon 56 (Unmarried)
Sibbna Knight 31 (Servant) Unmarried
Mary W Knight 6
Bessy Knight 3
Amy Knight 6 Months >>>>>Anny on the image.


1881 England Census
about Sabina Woon
Name: Sabina Woon
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Woon
Gender: Female
Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Roche
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address: Woon
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Austell
Sub-registration district: St Austell
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2303
Folio: 78
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Woon 63
Sabina Woon 42
Mary Woon 16
Bessie Woon 14
Annie Woon 10
Matilda Woon 4
Fanny Mitchell 37 (Boarder)


Births Mar 1865 (>99%)
Woon Mary Woon St. Austell 5c 141

Births Sep 1867 (>99%)
Woon Bessie St. Austell 5c 135

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
WOON Annie St. Austell 5c 123







Jonesey

Jonesey Report 6 Mar 2013 11:38

I just wonder could this be your mother remarrying? The birth date given at death would fit the birth registration in York

Name: Faith Green
Spouse Surname: William M Tamblin
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1976
Registration district: St Austell
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume Number: 21
Page Number: 1402

Name: Faith Tamblin
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1928
Date of Registration: May 2000
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Bodmin
Inferred County: Cornwall
Register Number: 34B
District and Subdistrict: 3541
Entry number: 221