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Lets look for Ellen's gran
Looking at Eliz Fisher:
From the 1847 marr, we know her dad was Richard, and she prob had a sis Alice.
Based on 1851, she should be 26 in 1841, poss recorded as 25.
Well, there's an 1841 with Richard, and prob his daur Alice, a="15", living at Bradly Hall (now replaced by Bradley Hall Trading Estate, abt 700m NE of St Wilfreds).
However, there's no Elizabeth with them - but then she's 26-ish.
There are a couple of Eliz Fishers working on farms as Female Servants - Ones on Shevington Moor, a couple of km W of town, and the other's at Mill Bridge Farm, 1.5 km NE of Bradley Hall.
The latter is with Mary Fisher, a="20", another F.S. - this h/h gets my vote.
Baptism: 18 Dec 1814 St Wilfrids, Standish, Lancs.
Elizabeth Fisher - Daughter of Richard Fisher & Alice
Abode: Worthington
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: Joseph Westmoreland, Asst. Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 17, Entry 132
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Baptism: 9 Jun 1816 St Wilfrids, Standish, Lancs.
Mary Fisher - Daughter of Richard Fisher & Alice
Abode: Worthington
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: Joseph Westmoreland, Asst. Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 30, Entry 240
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Baptism: 15 Feb 1818 St Wilfrids, Standish, Lancs.
Ann Fisher - Daughter of Richard Fisher & Alice
Abode: Worthington
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: Joseph Westmoreland, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 42, Entry 335
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Baptism: 17 Mar 1822 St Wilfrids, Standish, Lancs.
Alice Fisher - Daughter of Richard Fisher & Alice
Abode: Worthington
Occupation: Farmer
Notes: 4th daughter
Baptised by: William Hodgson, Asst. Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 75, Entry 600
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Baptism: 10 Oct 1824 St Wilfrids, Standish, Lancs.
Ellen Fisher - Daughter of Richard Fisher & Alice
Abode: Standish
Occupation: Farmer
Notes: 5th daughter
Baptised by: Geo. Whitlock, Asst Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 104, Entry 832
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Baptism: 29 Sep 1833 St Wilfrids, Standish, Lancs.
Margery Fisher - Daughter of Richard Fisher & Alice
Abode: Standish
Occupation: Farmer
Notes: 6th daughter
Baptised by: Geo. Whitlock, Asst Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 197, Entry 1575
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Looking at just the girls names, and at Eliz's girls names, provides further circumstantial corroboration that this is the right family.
1841 England Census Transcription
Street:BRADLY HALL
Parish:STANDISH
City:
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
House Number:
House Name:
Registration District:WIGAN
Town:STANDISH
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:527 Book:15 Folio:22 Page:2
RICHARD FISHER 1791 50 Farmer
ALICE FISHER 1791 50
WILLIAM FISHER 1816 25
ANN FISHER 1821 20
JAMES FISHER 1821 20
ALICE FISHER 1826 15
ELLEN FISHER 1826 15
BENJAMIN FISHER 1829 12
RICHARD FISHER 1831 10
MARGARY FISHER 1834 7
[All have pob=Lancashire - remember adults (15+) were supposed to have ages rounded down to a mult of 5 in 1841]
1841 England Census Transcription
Street:MILL BRIDGE FARM
Parish:STANDISH
City:
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
House Number:
House Name:
Registration District:WIGAN
Town:WORTHINGTON
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:527 Book:17 Folio:3 Page:1
BENJAMIN ASPINALL 1791 50 Farmer
JAMES DAWBER 1821 20 M.S.
ELIZABETH FISHER 1816 25 F.S.
MARY FISHER 1821 20 F.S.
[All have pob=Lancashire]
1851 England Census Transcription
Street:
Parish:STANDISH
City:
County:Lancashire
Division Of County:LANCASHIRE NORTHERN DIVISION
Ecclesiastical District:STANDISH
Hamlet:
House Name:BRADLEY HALL
House Number:
Parliamentary Borough:
Municipal Ward:
Registration District:WIGAN
Enumeration District:4D
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:2198 Folio:190 Page:25
RICHARD FISHER 1792 59 Worthington, Lancashire HEAD M Landed Proprietor 93 Acres employing on it Four Labrs. Proprietor of Coal Mine
ALICE FISHER 1791 60 Worthington, Lancashire WIFE M
WILLIAM FISHER 1814 37 Worthington, Lancashire SON U Farmers Son
ANN FISHER 1818 33 Worthington, Lancashire DAUGHTER U
ALICE FISHER 1822 29 Worthington, Lancashire DAUGHTER U
ELLEN FISHER 1825 26 Standish, Lancashire DAUGHTER
BENJAMIN FISHER 1829 22 Standish, Lancashire SON U Colliery Clerk
RICHARD FISHER 1831 20 Standish, Lancashire SON U Colliery Agent
MARGERY FISHER 1834 17 Standish, Lancashire DAUGHTER
MARY YATES 1817 34 Worthington, Lancashire DAUGHTER W
ELLEN YATES 1846 5 Coppull, Lancashire GRAND DAUGHTER Scholar
ALICE YATES 1848 3 Wigan, Lancashire GRAND DAUGHTER
THOMAS YATES 1850 1 Wigan, Lancashire GRAND SON
[Coppull is a township in Standish parish, but in Chorley RD]
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FISHER Mary YATES Richard All Saints, Wigan Wigan & Leigh C33/6/16
Marriage: 5 Aug 1845 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Richard Yates - 51 Coachman Bachelor of Wigan
Mary Fisher - 29 Servant Spinster of Wigan
Groom's Father: Thomas Yates, Farmer
Bride's Father: Richard Fisher, Farmer
Witness: James Fisher; Ann Grundy
Married by Licence by: John Lomas Curate
Register: Marriages 1845 - 46, Page 8, Entry 16
Source: LDS Film 1885695
Baptism: 22 Oct 1845 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancs.
Ellen Yates - daughter of Richard Yates & Mary
Abode: Coppull Moor
Occupation: Coachman
Baptised by: G D Brown Curate
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1869, Page 152
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1847
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
YATES Alice Wigan Wigan & Leigh FISHER WIG/22/309
Baptism: 26 Jan 1848 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancs.
Alice Yates - daughter of Richard Yates & Mary
Abode: Wigan
Occupation: Coachman
Baptised by: John Kelly Curate
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1869, Page 175, Entry 9
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1849
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
YATES Thomas Wigan Wigan & Leigh FISHER WIG/27/218
Baptism: 16 Jan 1850 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancs.
Thomas Merrick Yates - son of Richard Yates & Mary
Abode: Wigan
Occupation: Toll-Keeper
Baptised by: E Layng Curate
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1869, Page 203, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 1526140
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
YATES Richard 58 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/25/221
Burial: 17 Oct 1850 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancs.
Richard Yates -
Age: 58
Abode: Wigan
Buried by: R. H. Whitworth Curate
Register: Burials 1840 - 1856, Page 197, Entry 1576
Source: LDS Film 1526141
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Sarah Thompson (of full age) did indeed marry James Penney on 2/8/1845 at Kidderminster Parish Church. She was living in the Parish of Ribbesford and gives as her father James Thompson a Stock Taker, a witness was an Elizabeth Thompson. Is there a relationship with James Thompson 1842-1879?
It seems likely that Sarah could have been a sister of James's father. When I look at familysearch.com I cannot readily find Sarah's birth with a James as a father, presumably somewhere 1816-1825 in Worcestershire. Any clues as to how I find her parents and who her siblings where (unlikely to be an only child).
Guy
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1851 census Sarah if not already posted
Name:Sarah Penny
Age:35
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:James Penny
Gender:F (Female)
Where born:Stowbridge, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish:Kidderminster
Ecclesiastical parish:Kidderminster
Town:Kidderminster
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