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Potty - interesting one this - I cant't find John from the 1851 census nor can I find a 21 year old Elizabeth ... I suppose john could have died and Elizabeth got married, but the second Elizabeth should still have been on the 1851 as should Richard who is 15 in 1861 and Catherine who is 14.

Barry - many thanks for the marriage info I knew he had married Sarah but had no surname

Possible baptism for Ellen

Ellen Oldfield 18 Sept 1808 Eccles Lancs Batch No C026727-7

Parents John Oldfield and Sarah

Possible marriage of parents

John Oldfield to Sarah Moreton 5 July 1789 Eccles Batch No 1004000-0

There seem to have been two daughters called Elizabeth: one in the 1861 aged 11 and one in the 1851, aged 12:

1851 England Census
about Ellen Hanson
Name: Ellen Hanson
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel Hanson
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Barton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Barton upon Irwell
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1j
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 2218
Folio: 283
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Hanson 48
Ellen Hanson 45
Harriet Hanson 18
Mary Hanson 16
Elizabeth Hanson 12
William Hanson 11
John Hanson 6
Mary Morton 18

Yes, have now proved that these are different Catherines ... my Catherine does not seem to appear on the 1851 census, though I am still looking.
Thanks for the marriage info for Ellen and Samuel. Will now try to take the family back further.

Marriage: 5 May 1834 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
Samuel Hanson - Prestwich
Ellen Oldfield - (X), Prestwich
Witness: R. Briggs; James Sheldrick
Married by Banns by: Thomas Tolming
Register: Marriages 1832 - 1834, Page 715
Source: LDS Film 2356186

witnesses were probably connected to the church, James Sheldrick appears on most marriages and Ralph Briggs on quite a few

Potty proved it was not your Catherine in Castleton as she was also there in 1861 when your Catherine was with her parents

That is really fantastic, thank you so much. These seem to be really good leads, although they open up yet more questions. Castleton is very interesting as it is only about 5 miles from the Barton area.
Ellen's maiden name is a real find. Thank you again

Forget the 1851 I posted, this looks like that Catherine in 1861:

1861 England Census
about Kate Hanson
Name: Kate Hanson
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Castleton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ovenden
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Ovenden
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 3296
Folio: 30
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Warding 45
Elizabeth Warding 45
Ellen Warding 19
Kate Hanson 15
George Hanson 13


Will leave both on thread, to eliminate

Could this be Catherine in 1851:

1851 England Census
about Catherine Hanson
Name: Catherine Hanson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Visitor
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Castleton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Without
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 119
Piece: 2244
Folio: 301
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
William Taylor 59
Catherine Taylor 56
Catherine Hanson 5
George Hanson 3

according to an Ancestry tree Catherine is the daughter of Samuel Hanson and Ellen Oldfield who married 1834 Prestwich Catherine had 9 siblings born between 1833 and 1850

Samuel was born 1812 Burton Staffs and
Ellen born 1806 Worsley Lancs

Name: Catherine Hanson
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1847
Marriage Date: 30 Apr 1866
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: Samuel Hanson
Spouse's Name: Thomas Chapman
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Father's Name: James Chapman
Archive Roll: 733

Thanks Helen, I had found Samuel as a possible husband, but could not find the 1861 census for Ellen (made mistake in original post, have Catherine on every census from 1871 onwards) Very pleased that Samuel is now confirmed as husband, though I wonder why Catherine is not shown on the 1851 census
Will send off for the death certificate

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Ellen Hanson
Name: Ellen Hanson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1883
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 398 (click to see others on page)

1861 England Census about Ellen Hanson
Name: Ellen Hanson
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel Hanson
Gender: Female
Where born: Worsley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Barton upon Irwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Eccles
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Piece: 2863
Folio: 95
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Hanson 49
Ellen Hanson 51
Richd Hanson 15
Cathe Hanson 14
Elizh Hanson 11

Looking to somehow marry these two up. Have Catherine, married to Thomas Chapman on BMD and on every census from 1861 onwards in Barton, Lancashire. But have also got a bereavement card which reads Ellen Hanson, died 20th January 1883 aged 77. Interred Barton Wesleyan Chapel.
I think that Ellen might be Catherine's mother ... could she have been her grandmother???
Have found an Ellen on the census, but not with a daughter Catherine. The family story is that the Hansons are linked to some Norwegian musicians?????
Any help would be appreciated!