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Kate Barter b11 May 1887

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Innes

Innes Report 10 Mar 2013 15:22

Is anyone a decendent of Kate Barter b11 May 1887 at Hilfield,Holwell,Dorset.
I didn't know my Grandfather had a sister until I started the family tree.
I can find her in the 1911 census at Bournemouth as a housemaid to the Eaton sisters.
No one seems to have her in their tree on Genes.
Have sent for 4 marriage certificates to no avail.
There is a death in New Forest Sept 1946 but the age is 6yrs.out
I would love to know what happened to her.
Fingers crossed,Innes

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2013 15:25

Name: Kate Barter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Female
Age: 13
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Holwell, Dorsetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Sherborne
Sub-District: Yetminster
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holwell
Civil Parish: Holwell
District/Parish/County: Dorsetshire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2013 15:26

Name: Kate Barter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Birthplace: Hifield, Dorsetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Christchurch
Sub-District: Bournemouth
Parish: Bournemouth
County: Hampshire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2013 15:27

Name: Kate Barter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Hillfield, Dorsetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Sherborne
Sub-District: Yetminster
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holwell
Parish: Holwell
County: Dorsetshire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2013 15:30

brother???????????


Name: Arthur Barter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Holwell, Dorsetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Sherborne
Sub-District: Yetminster
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holwell
Civil Parish: Holwell
District/Parish/County: Dorsetshire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2013 15:31

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Name: Bertie Barter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Holwell, Dorsetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Sherborne
Sub-District: Yetminster
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holwell
Civil Parish: Holwell
District/Parish/County: Dorsetshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 Mar 2013 15:36

a tree on ancestry has a Kate Barter born 1888 marrying a William Gibbs in 1920 and dying in 1963

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Name: Kate Barter
Spouse Surname: Gibbs
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 942
Find Spouse: Find Spouse


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Kate Gibbs
Name: Kate Gibbs
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1963
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 86

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Mar 2013 15:40

There were two Kate Barter's baptised in 1887:

Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Kate Barter
Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1887 (actually 1888 on original)
Parish: Milton Abbas
Father's Name: John Barter - a carter
Mother's name: Eliza Barter

Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Kate Barter
Baptism Date: 3 Jul 1887
Parish: Hilfield
Father's Name: Walter Barter - a labourer
Mother's name: Elizabeth Barter

The latter would be the correct one based on the opening post but I've posted them both as a reminder not to mix them up on later records.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Mar 2013 15:45

The tree on ancestry has no actual birthdate (and just has Dorset for birthplace) for the Kate who married William Gibbs so it could be either one of them.

Innes - which are the marriage certificates you've bought and discounted (presumably because the age or father was wrong?)

Flip

Flip Report 10 Mar 2013 15:49

Rather than the speculation - which you have already tried by buying wrong certificates - could you post up your grandfather's details - eg him on a census with his parents, that way we would know the parents names. And even try to check she was actually his sister.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2013 15:52

MI REF SURNAME FORENAME YEAR OF DEATH AGE

74 BARTER Louisa 1928 aged 68 years
10 BARTER Charles 1897 aged 51 years
37 BARTER Alfred Edwin 1888 aged 20 years
39 BARTER Benjamin 1895 aged 80 years
39 BARTER Sarah 1899 aged 80 years
72 BARTER Sarah 1925 aged 74 years
72 BARTER Mary 1926 aged 71 years
74 BARTER Job 1942 aged 86 years
75 BARTER Rosetta 1942 aged 89 years


Holwell, St Laurence, Churchyard, Dorset, England, Monumental ...
Monumental Inscriptions Holwell, St Laurence, Dorset ... Kate Prisilla: 1897: aged 18 years: 5: ANTELL: Thomas: 1884 ... BARTER: Louisa: 1928: aged 68 years: 10: BARTER: Charles: 1897
www.opcdorset.org/HolwellFiles/?MIHolwellStLaurence.htm - Cached




AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2013 16:01

Holwell
Baptisms 1841-1888

DHC/DRO film MIC/R 596



20.11.1842; Thomas Edward; Thos.; Eliza; BARTER; Holwell; farmer

21/4.8.1845; Jane Ann; Benjamin; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; farmer

13.8.1848; Ann ?Lavinia; Joseph; Mary Ann; BARTER; Holwell; labourer

6.4.1849; Louis William; Benjamin; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; yeoman; pr. bapt.

13.10.1849; Emily Jane; Joseph; Mary; BARTER; Holwell; labourer; pr. bapt.; dead

16.6.1850; Louis William; Benjamin; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; yeoman; also Ap 6 1849

9.6.1851; Benjamin; Benjamin; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; farmer; pr. bapt.; twin

9.6.1851; Sarah; Benjamin; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; farmer; pr. bapt.; twin

24.3.1853; Rosetta; Benjamin; Mary; BARTER; Holwell; yeoman

4.6.1854; William; Charles; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; labourer



13.1.1855; Priscilla Elizabeth; Thos.; Eliza; BARTER; Holwell; labourer; pr. bapt.; died

3.8.1856; Emily; Charles; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; labourer

7.9.1856; Job Ryall; Benjamin; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; yeoman

31.12.1858; Priscilla; Benjamin; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; farmer; pr. bapt.

6.2.1859; Samuel; John; Eliza; BARTER; Holwell; labourer


4.2.1860; Mary; Charles; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; labourer; pr. bapt.

9.1.1861; James; Benjamin; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; farmer; pr. bapt.

18.1.1863; Anna; Charles; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; labourer

7.8.1864; Eli; John; Eliza; BARTER; Holwell; labourer

25.12.1867; Charles George; Charles; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; labourer

?25.8.1867; Alfred Edwin; Thomas; Jane; BARTER; Holwell; yeoman

2.7.1868; Eliza Jane; Henry James; Mary Jane; BARTER; Holwell; labourer; pr. bapt.

3.3.1873; Arthur Theodore; Robert; Emily; BARTER; Holwell; yeoman; pr. bapt.

10.7.1881; Bertie; Charles; Mary Jane; BARTER; Bishops Caundle; dairyman

Holwell Baptisms 1844-1888 - Dorset OPC home page
4.2.1860; Mary; Charles; Sarah; BARTER; Holwell; labourer; pr. bapt. 4.3.1860 ... 6.2.1887; Lily Kate; Walter Stephen; Christiana; FOX; Holwell; labourer
www.opcdorset.org/HolwellFiles/?HolwellBaps1844_1888.htm - Cached

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2013 16:24

I've asked poster to return with some feedback

Innes

Innes Report 13 Mar 2013 08:36

Sorry for not being on line.
Kate Barter b11 May 1887 Hilfield. Parents Walter and Elizabeth Barter of Holwell.
They died 1905 and 1901 respectively and the family got split up.
There was 2 Kate Barter's born around the same time the other one being Milton Abbas in 1888.
The marriage certificates that I have are
William Gibbs-1920 Croydon
William John Pearce-1916 Southhampton
William Teed 1913 West Ham
Frederick Allcock 1921 Hackney
Sorry once again. I will not be able to watch my thread now until the weekend but thank you all for helping.
Innnes

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Mar 2013 10:03

If she isn't in a GR tree, no-one else is researching her

If she lived past 1969, you can search for possible deaths on Ancestry using her DOB, then cross-refer with marriages, or not, as the case may be. She may not have married

Flip

Flip Report 16 Mar 2013 09:18

You originally posted you didn't know your grandfather had a sister, but it would appear he had 2 sisters:

Kate Barter
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Walter Barter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Barter
Gender: Female
Where born: Holwell, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Holwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Holwell
Town: Holywell
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sherborne
Sub-registration district: Yetminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 2006
Folio: 68
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Barter 43 (carter on farm)
Elizabeth Barter 43
Arthur Barter 15
Kate Barter 13
Bertie Barter 11
Tom Barter 9
Harry Barter 6
Bessie Barter 1

All of them born Holwell

Innes

Innes Report 16 Mar 2013 18:01

Hi again.
Someone has contacted me by phone,who knows about Kate Barter and what happened to her and we are going to meet up.
Thank you all for trying to help me.
I did know about Bessie but unfortunately she died aged 2yrs.and Harry died aged 12yrs.
Thank you all once again,Innes

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Mar 2013 18:55

That's great that you've got a contact Innes - do let us know the outcome.