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Ian Alexander

Ian Alexander Report 12 Mar 2013 14:59

Hi, I'm trying to trace my great grand mothers relatives, I believe they originate in Scotland. Her name is Grace Forrest born around 1838 her father was William Forrest (engraver).She married my G'grand father (William Lamb) in 1863 in Manchester and gives her age as 29 - (birth year 1834)- but this does not align with her death cert which gives her birth year as 1838.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 12 Mar 2013 15:10

Hello Ian - best place to look for connection on this site is to use "Search" facility - top right hand corner of this page - you can then see if ther are any connections on this site - if you strike lucky you have the option of contacting the owner of that tree

Ann X

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 12 Mar 2013 15:12

any idea where she was born?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 12 Mar 2013 15:21

do you have the names of any of thir children?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 12 Mar 2013 15:22

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Name: Thomas Lamb
Age (Original): 17
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1864
Birthplace: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Printer Compositor
Address: 24 Rumford St
Event Place: Hulme, Lancashire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341939
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3933 / 131
Page Number: 25
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head William Lamb M 49 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Daughter Ruth Lamb F 22 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Son Thomas Lamb M 17 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Daughter Fanny Lamb F 16 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Son William Lamb M 14 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Daughter Elizabeth Lamb F 8 Manchester, Lancashire, England

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Mar 2013 17:31

Is this your Grace please?

1911

Name: Grace Lamb
Age in 1911: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Scotland, Dundee, Scotland
Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 69 Three Mills Lane, Bromley By Bow, London E
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: PENSIONER
Registration district: Poplar
Registration District Number: 22
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 1679
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Brooks 40
Emma Matthews 50
Grace Lamb 73
Henry Brooks 5
Emma Brooks 4
Arthur Brooks 2


1871

Name: Grace Lamb
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Lamb
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 88
Piece: 570
Folio: 29
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
William Lamb 44
Grace Lamb 33
Isabella Lamb 21



With a bit of luck the marriage certificate will give ages of the bride and groom and the names and occupations of their fathers.

Marriages Dec 1863

Astley William Manchester 8d 569
Forrest Grace Manchester 8d 569 <<<<<<<<<<
Lamb William Manchester 8d 569 <<<<<<<<<<<
Walker Mary Manchester 8d 569

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Mar 2013 17:38

1851 - no Grace her but she may be a live-in servant elsewhere.


Name: William Forrest
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Lillias Forrest
Gender: Male
Where born: Burnwyne, Midlothian
Parish Number: 685/2
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 17 Archibald Pl
Occupation: Copperplate Engraver
ED: 13A
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1851_182
Household Members: Name Age
William Forrest 45
Lillias Forrest 40
Richard Forrest 15
Thomas S Forrest 11
William Forrest 7
Charles S Forrest 3

1861

Name: William Forrest
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Lillias Forrest
Gender: Male
Where born: Ratho, Midlothian
Registration number: 685/4
Registration district: St Giles
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 17 Archibald Place
Occupation: Engraver
ED: 85
Household schedule number: 72
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1861_128
Household Members: Name Age
William Forrest 55
Lillias Forrest 51
Richard Forrest 25
William Forrest 17
Charles S Forrest 13
Flavie Mcrorie 18


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Mar 2013 17:50

Hmm...perhaps not that family as no Grace in 1841

Piece: SCT1841/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 63
Civil Parish: St Cuthbert's Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: South & West
Folio: 63 Page: 2
Address: Archibald Place



Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks

FORREST Wm. M 36 Engraver Midlothian
FORREST Lillian F 31 Midlothian
FORREST Helen F 7 Midlothian
FORREST Richard M 5 Midlothian
FORREST Thos. Stew F 2 Midlothian
FORRETST Lillian F 2d Midlothian
Page: 63/3 STEWART Hellen F 15 Midlothian
TELFORD Agnes F 18 Female Servant Midlothian

Mary

Mary Report 12 Mar 2013 18:23

1851 Bolten Le Moor Lancashire.

Grace Torrest (Forrest) born 1831 scotland a visitor.

Maryb.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 12 Mar 2013 18:33


Forrest Grace-Roy,
Birth-21 April 1835,
Bapt 29th June 1835,

Abroath Angus,,Parents,---William Forrest and Ann Roy.

?

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 12 Mar 2013 23:40

if you have access to ancestry you can see the parish register image here

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=2962&iid=40364_636672_2162-00095&fn=William&ln=Lamb&st=d&ssrc=&pid=2336986

Dec 26th 1863 St John's Manchester
William age 39 widower occ smith, father William a shoemaker
Grace age 29 spinster, father William Forrest engineer

witnesses James & Emma Gadd

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 12 Mar 2013 23:48

is this William in 1861

William Lamb 38 occ smith born Northallerton
Elizabeth Lamb 30
William Lamb 12
Richard Lamb 11
John Lamb 8
Edwin Lamb 4
George Lamb 2
Thomas Lamb 10 Months

edit - not the right William as he is still with Elizabeth in 1871 - will leave on for elimination purposes

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 13 Mar 2013 00:45

Re the 1835 Arbroath birth posted by Kay...
I suspect she has identified the correct girl
Same couple had a daughter named Catherine Jane Forrest baptised in St Vigeans in 1834
Here is the family in Sheffield at 1841

Head of household William Forrest, ( looks as if he may be widowed) is a Civil Engneer and census states everyone in the household was born in Scotland
Includes both Grace R and Cath J with the correct ages

1841 England Census about Grace R Forest
Name: Grace R Forest
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Sheffield
Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1336
Book: 6
Folio: 29
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Forest 54
Margaret Forest 20
Elizabeth Forest 15
Wm F Forest 8 **** Edit See below:
Catha J Forest 7
Grace R Forest 6
James Forest 3

Edit from above
Births and marriage on Family Search
William Forrest and Ann Roy: Marriage banns are found in both Kinross and Midlothian 13 Jun 1830
Had children born, Midlothian, Angus and Manchester
*** William Farr Vairn Forrest, born and baptised 1832 in Manchester
None of the Midlothian born children appear on the 1841 return


Possible for 1851

1851 England Census about Grace Torrest
Name: Grace Torrest
[Grace Forrest]
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Visitor
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Great Bolton
Town: Bolton le Moors
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1j
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 2211
Folio: 325
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Towns 29 b Scotland
Margaret Towns 29
June Towns 6
Margaret Towns 2 Mo
Grace Torrest 20

Ian Alexander

Ian Alexander Report 13 Mar 2013 10:20

Thanks for all your responses, Grace and husband William did live and die in Bromely St. Leonard- Bow, as identified, William d.1891 and Grace 1912. Also, I have just received a copy of the marriage cert. and it gives profession of father as engraver ? The Ancestry marriage info (I don't have access) given by Lancashireann which states engineer is interesting as it ties in with some of the other later info.also this is the correct marriage data as everything aligns except the fathers proffession which could easily have been written wrongly.

Ian Alexander

Ian Alexander Report 13 Mar 2013 10:24

Forgot to add that they had one child Charles Henry Lamb b. 1873

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 13 Mar 2013 10:49

maybe someone else with ancestry could check but I am fairly certain that the original image reads engineer on that marriage

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 13 Mar 2013 12:30

Re 1863 marriage between William Lamb and Grace Forrest:
Definitely says that William Forrest, father of Grace was an ENGINEER

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 about Grace Forrest
Name: Grace Forrest
Birth Year: abt 1834
Age: 29
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1863
Parish: Manchester, St John
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father's Name: William Forrest
Spouse's Name: William Lamb
Spouse's Father's Name: William Lamb
Reference Number: GB127.M403/6/3/38

Ian Alexander

Ian Alexander Report 14 Mar 2013 09:32

Thanks Anne for confirmation of profession. The facts seem to align namely the birth place -Arbroath- and given location on death cert - Dundee- are not far apart.Also 1851 census suggests that Margaret Towns is her sister (married), the given ages -birth, census and marriage don't align but ??Is it possible to determine any marriage info for William Forest and Ann Roy if they were married ? Thanks again.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 14 Mar 2013 13:39

Hi Ian,
As posted above the marriage banns for William Forrest and Ann Roy were read in both Kinross and Midlothian on 13 Jun 1830. ( Found on Family search)
Marriage banns were often read in the parishes of both the bride and groom, but very rarely will it say where and when the marriage actually took place.
It was however, more often in the Brides home parish.
The OPR entries should say who lived where... Scotland's People will have these.

William F, Grace R and Catherine J were all definitely their children, and it looks like they moved around.
Williams birth registered in Manchester 1832, Grace and Catherine in Angus 1834 and 1835, and all found in Sheffield at 1841.
After the marriage in Midlothian or Kinrosss , - they seem to move to Manchester- Angus- Sheffield
Any children born within the marriage would not be over 11yrs at 1841, therefore assuming the older ones are his children, it isuggests that William was married before. Margaret and Elizabeth Forrest would therefore have a different mother.