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1841 census for Bradford please

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Frances

Frances Report 18 Mar 2013 17:01

Long Rhoda 1839 Yorkshire Bradford, Bradford, East is what I have found in the GR single line but there are far too many Longs in the area to ascertain her siblings so could some kind person please get me the 1841 census for Rhoda with her family?

Many thanks,
Frances

Choccy

Choccy Report 18 Mar 2013 17:03


1841

RG number: HO107
Piece: 1293
Book/Folio: 6/26
Page: 11
Reg. District: Bradford
Sub District: Bradford, East
Parish: Bradford
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Bradford
Address: Back Of Wharf Street, Bradford, Bradford, East
County: Yorkshire

LONG, James M 25 1816 Yorkshire
LONG, Sarah F 20 1821 Yorkshire
>>>>LONG, Rhoda F 2 1839 Yorkshire



Choccy

Choccy Report 18 Mar 2013 17:06



looks like James has died by 1851 - Sarah is with her mother


1851

RG number: HO107
Piece: 2307
Folio: 467
Page: 5
Reg. District: Bradford
Sub District: Bradford East End
Parish:
Enum. District: 46
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Bradford
Address: Bolton Road, Bradford
County: Yorkshire (West riding)



LAMBERT, Margaret Head Widow F 68 1783
Bradford, Yorkshire
>>>LONG, Sarah Daughter Widow F 33 1818 Stuff Weaver
Bradford, Yorkshire
>>>LONG, Rhoda Grand Daughter F 12 1839 Attg School
Bradford, Yorkshire
>>>LONG, Job Grand Son M 9 1842 Attg School
Bradford, Yorkshire
>>>LONG, Ellen Grand Daughter F 3 1848
Bradford, Yorkshire
AUSTIN, Maria Visitor Unmarried F 23 1828 Stuff Weaver
Kirkstal, Yorkshire
AUSTIN, Charles Visitor Unmarried M 9 1842
Kirkstal, Yorkshire
DAVIDSON, Hanah Lodger Married F 20 1831 Stuff Weaver
Leeds, Yorkshire

Choccy

Choccy Report 18 Mar 2013 17:09



Marriages Jun 1838 (>99%)
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Armitage Ruth Bradford 23 173
BLACKBURN George Bradford 23 173
FOSTER Emma Clark Thornton Bradford Yks 23 173
HAINSWORTH Joshua Bradford 23 173
>>>>>Lambert Sarah Bradford 23 173
>>>>>LONG James Bradford 23 173
MORTIMER John Bradford 23 173
SCOTT Mary Bradford 23 173

Choccy

Choccy Report 18 Mar 2013 17:13



West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: Sarah Lambert
Birth Year: abt 1817
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 17 Jun 1838
Parish: Calverley, St Wilfrid
Father's Name: Robert Lambert - occupation: Tailor
Spouse's Name: James Long (age 22) - occupation: Overlooker
Spouse's Father's Name: James Long - occupation: Huckster

Source Citation: West Yorkshire Archive Service; Wakefield, Yorkshire, England; Yorkshire Parish Records; New Reference Number: WDP17/3/8.


Witnesses - Daniel Lambert and Sarah Long

Frances

Frances Report 18 Mar 2013 17:17

Thank you Choccy, that is most helpful

Mary

Mary Report 18 Mar 2013 18:51

Sarah Long daughter of Robert lambert married Miles Smith in Bradford 17/1/1854
Miles Smith 1820 - 1887
1861 Bradford east end D37 > 5
Also still with them is Margaret Lambert 1783 Earby Craven yorkshire.

Maryb.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Mar 2013 20:21

Rhoda's baptism:

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910

Name: Rhoda Long
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1838
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1838
Father's Name: James Long - overlooker
Mother's name: Sarah Long

Lived School Street

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Mar 2013 20:27

Her marriage:

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: Rhoda Long, of Bradford
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 19
Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Dec 1857
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name: James Long - overlooker
Spouse's Name: George Harrison (20) - a fruiterer from Leeds
Spouse's Father's Name: John Harrison - grocer

Neither married before.

Witnesses: William Holmes and Joseph Ellis Naylor

Note: - It doesn't say that Rhoda's father is deceased, but perhaps the question wasn't asked.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Mar 2013 20:30

Possibly James burial:

West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985
Name: James Long
Birth Year: abt 1816
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Burial Date: 8 Sep 1849
Burial Age: 33

Frances

Frances Report 20 Mar 2013 09:25

Thank you MarieCeleste, this burial is the same date as the one I plumped for in FreeBMD.
I have made some suggestions about getting certificates for various family events but the response was not overwhelming......

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Mar 2013 20:19

Copied from the Field thread to keep me on the right track:

I appreciate it is my job to keep you occupied with difficult requests and I would love to know whether your sources can add to my search in Family Search this morning.
Previously we (you) found :
1851
LAMBERT, Margaret Head Widow F 68 1783
Bradford, Yorkshire
>>>LONG, Sarah Daughter Widow F 33 1818 Stuff Weaver
Bradford, Yorkshire
>>>LONG, Rhoda Grand Daughter F 12 1839 Attg School
Bradford, Yorkshire
>>>LONG, Job Grand Son M 9 1842 Attg School
Bradford, Yorkshire
>>>LONG, Ellen Grand Daughter F 3 1848
Bradford, Yorkshire

Mother and daughter seem to have trouble keeping their husbands (alive)

From other info sent to me I have progressed to find the marriage For Sarah's parents
Robert Lambert Marriage: 14 Apr 1803 Thornton in Craven, Yorkshire
Spouse : Margaret Wilkinson

and siblings
Male 13 Oct 1803, Jenny 23 Jun 1805, John 10 Oct 1808, Stephen 21 Nov 1810, Batch C10583-2

but then the trail goes cold. I haven't found a birth for Sarah c.1817 or any others.

Does the 1841 census for Margaret show up - I guess she should have been in Bradford by then.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Mar 2013 20:26

This is the only Margaret Lambert I'm seeing that fits bearing in mind ages rounded down in 1841:

LAMBERT, Margt F 55 1786 Yorkshire
LAMBERT, Ellen F 15 1826 Yorkshire
HORSFALL, CharlotteF 15 1826 Yorkshire

Piece: 1293 Book/Folio: 6/26 Page: 11
Registration District: Bradford
Civil Parish: Bradford
Municipal Borough: Bradford

Address: Back Of Wharf Street, Bradford, Bradford, East County: Yorkshire

No marital status or relationships given then, Ellen and Charlotte were worsted weavers.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Mar 2013 20:37

I'm guessing that 1841 is the right family based on this marriage:

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: Ellen Lambert
Birth Year: abt 1824
Age: 19
Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Jan 1843
Parish: Calverley, St Wilfrid
Father's Name: Robert Lambert - TAILOR
Spouse's Name: Thomas Tobin (22) Private in 17th Lancers
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Tobin - Flax Spinner

Neither married before.

Witnesses: Ellen Stocks and William Hartley

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Mar 2013 20:43

On Sarah's marriage in 1838 one of the witnesses was a Daniel Lambert, I reckon it must be her brother going by this:

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: Daniel Lambert - Dyer
Birth Year: abt 1815
Age: 25
Marriage or Bann Date: 27 Sep 1840
Parish: Bradford, Christ Church
Father's Name: Robert Lambert - TAILOR
Spouse's Name: Ann Simpson (23)
Spouse's Father's Name: Benjamin Simpson - Tailor

Neither married before.

Witnesses: William Robinson, Eliza ? Simpson

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Mar 2013 20:49

I think we can be confident that Ellen and Daniel were the siblings of Sarah but i'm not sure about the others you have from Thornton in Craven - that's a bit out of the area.

EDIT: I see from above that Margaret was originally from that area.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Mar 2013 20:59

This could be another sibling:

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: Job Lambert - Delver
Birth Year: abt 1820
Age: 31
Marriage or Bann Date: 10 May 1851
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name: Robert Lambert - TAILOR
Spouse's Name: Susannah Storey (29)
Spouse's Father's Name: Christopher Storey - Delver

Both single.

Witnesses: John Newson and William Holmes (witness at Rhoda's marriage, too)

EDIT: William Holmes was a witness at lots of weddings - must have been a "professional", he was even a witness at Sarah's remarriage.

Frances

Frances Report 21 Mar 2013 09:08

Thank you MarieCeleste (perhaps I could 'attach' a rock bun - without candied peel).
My reasoning for the first four of Sarah's siblings is that Margaret got married in Thornton in Craven, in 1803, and the children are born there immediately after her marriage. I find that frequently people alter their 'places of birth' in different census, this could be due to the way the ennumerator couched the question.
It is unfortunate that this family is created during a time sufficiently before 1841 that the family is broken up long before they can be found together in census. Bradford was possibly the biggest 'wool town' in the area at that time and if most of them were living there they don't show up as close neighbours.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 21 Mar 2013 19:20

Thanks Frances - do you brush your rock buns with beaten egg before baking?

Well, we've also identified 3 more likely siblings now - Daniel, Ellen & Job. Not finding any baptisms anywhere for them so it's tricky to work out where they were born.