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Mary Ann Pilkington...who was she??

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wisechild Report 7 Apr 2013 14:38

Oh dear.
Nice try Mavis. Would have fitted beautifully if it hadn´t been for the little snag..
Thanks for looking anyway.


Mavis Report 7 Apr 2013 12:03

OOPs Mary Pilkington Lea

death 3 month old buried 9th Aug 1893

back to the drawing board



Mavis Report 7 Apr 2013 11:26

Wisechild this may help - not located a death

Mary Pilkington Lea June Q 1893 Ormskirk 8b 866

Baptism St Marys Rufford

Mary daughter of Mary Ann Lea June 28th or 25th 1893



wisechild Report 6 Apr 2013 16:53

Yes. They have cost me a fortune over the years, mainly through my own curiosity.
It would have saved me a fortune if I´d paid attention to what I was told.
Thanks to all for your help.


Gins Report 6 Apr 2013 16:44

I guess the best bet is to send for the full Will and see if it makes mention as to 'how' Mary Ann Pilkington fits with the family

Dont you just love your ancestors!


wisechild Report 6 Apr 2013 16:15

Haven´t got a copy of the will Reggie. have just seen the probate entry which grants probate to nellie Firth wife of Edwin Firth & Mary Ann Pilkington, Spinster.
As I remember, there was quite a debate when Nellie died over who should inherit the cottage & eventually I believe it went to some distant cousins.
Think my mother had high hopes, but she was only a niece by marriage. :-(


Reggie Report 6 Apr 2013 15:58

How did Robert describe Mary in his Will?


wisechild Report 6 Apr 2013 15:57

Tell me about it. I had wondered whether she was farmed out to another family & grew up with their surname.
Pretty sure she was alive into the 1970s because Uncle Ted (Nellie´s husband) died in 1969 & I know the two old ladies outlived him by a fair few years.


Astra Report 6 Apr 2013 15:38

No I couldn't either but then she could be hidden away in a convent school or somewhere. People were quite good at hiding their mistakes.


wisechild Report 6 Apr 2013 15:19

Could well have been Gins although that would make her far too old to be the lady I remember. She was still fit & active in the late 1960s & I´m fairly sure she didn´t die until the early 1980s.
Don´t you wish you had taken more notice of what you were told as a child?.

No Not Robert´s sister. She married & became Caunce.
Astra, I had been thinking along the same lines as you.
Both of Robert´s wives were quite mature when he married them. Think Mary Ann Lea was about 28, so she could easily have had a child before marriage, but can´t see young Mary Ann Lea on the census.


Astra Report 6 Apr 2013 15:17

Clutching at straws here I wonder if this is her death.

Name: Mary A Lea
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1965
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 180

and a possible birth

Name: Mary Ann Lea
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1886
Registration district: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 896


Gins Report 6 Apr 2013 14:57

Was Mary the sister of Nellie' father?

1881 England Census

Name: Mary Ann Pilkington
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Pilkington
Mother's Name: Ann Pilkington
Gender: Female
Where born: Rufford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Rufford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Tarleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3753
Folio: 41
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
John Pilkington 50
Ann Pilkington 53
James Pilkington 22
John Pilkington 20
Edward Pilkington 18
Robert Pilkington 16
George Pilkington 14
Mary Ann Pilkington 12

Lancashire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Mary Ann Pilkington
Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1868
Parish: Rufford, St Mary
Father: John Pilkington <Labourer
Mother: Anne Pilkington
Reference Number: Pr 3166/1/1


wisechild Report 6 Apr 2013 14:37

My G aunt Nellie Pilkington was born 1902 in Rufford, Nr Ormskirk. Have her with her father & step mother on the 1911 census, her mother Mary Ann Lea having died in 1906.
Robert Pilkington then married Ann Baldwin in 1907 & they had no children as far as I can see.
Nellie married Edwin Firth & they lived in her father´s cottage Runner Cottage, Holmeswood Nr Ormskirk & Auntie Mary lived with them. We visited quite often in my childhood & I remember asking who Auntie Mary was & being told she was Auntie Nellie´s much older sister (around 10 years if I remember correctly)
Robert Pilkington left the cottage to Nellie & Mary in his will which is why they all lived together, as Mary never married & Nellie & Edwin never had children
Can´t find any trace of Mary Ann on any of the censuses, nor can I find a birth or death for her under the name of Pilkington, so am wondering if she was a step daughter of Robert rather than a daughter.
Can anyone shed any light please?