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Donald Gray Sutherland

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Marina

Marina Report 7 Apr 2013 12:07

I am searching for Donald as I believe he was a relative of my grandfather. I can find no trace of him on any site. I have no clues as to his DOB but he sailed to Australia on the Northumberland in 1876 and was there when Ned Kelly was killed. He wrote a diary about his journey and a letter about Ned Kelly. He was probably a young man when he sailed from Plymouth to Melbourne. Hope someone can help.
Regards,
Marina

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MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Apr 2013 12:08

Hi Marina, how did you make the connection to your grandfather? Where were the family from?

(Just looking for clues to identify him)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Apr 2013 12:11

I know it's completely the wrong continent and wrong age, but thought worth posting in case there's a connection:

British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990

Name: Donald Gray Sutherland
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1874
Death Age: 68
Death Date: 22 Jul 1942
Death Location: Vancouver
Registration number: 1942-09-609750
BCA Number: B13175
GSU Number: 1953635

patchem

patchem Report 7 Apr 2013 12:14

Do you know if he was from England or Scotland?
Thank-you

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Apr 2013 12:14

Does the father's name on this ring any bells?

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Thursday 19 July 1888

SUTHERLAND.- On July l7 1888,at his residence, Lugar Street, Waverley. Donald Gray Sutherland, third son of tho late James Sutherland, Esq, of Mylater, Watten, Caithnesshire, Scotland, N.B

From Trove
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13691388?searchTerm=%22donald%20gray%20sutherland%22&searchLimits=
.......................................................................................................................

ADDED:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Donald G Sutherland
Death Date: 1888
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Place: Waverley, New South Wales
Registration number: 5102

patchem

patchem Report 7 Apr 2013 12:15

Following on from MC
?
1881 Scotland Census
: Donald G Sutherland Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship: Son Gender: Male
Where born: Thurso, Caithness Shire
Registration number: 41 Registration district: Thurso
Civil parish: Thurso County: Caithness Address: Geise House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 13
Line: 5
Roll: cssct1881a_103236
Donald G Sutherland 7
Source Citation: Parish: Thurso; ED: 9; Page: 5; Line: 5; Roll: cssct1881a_103236.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Apr 2013 12:20

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Thursday 21 February 1918

SUTHERLAND -February 20, 1918, at Birdwell, Lugar Street, Waverley, Lucy Neathway, relict of the late Donald Gray Sutherland, aged 74 vears.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15781385?searchTerm=%22donald%20gray%20sutherland%22&searchLimits=

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Apr 2013 12:25

This is the full 1881 for what Patchem posted above:

SUTHERLAND, Alexander Head Married M 37 1844 Farmer Wick, Caithnessshire
SUTHERLAND, Helen Wife Married F 31 1850 Halkirk, Caithnessshire
SUTHERLAND, Margret Daughter F 11 1870 Scholar Thurso, Caithnessshire
SUTHERLAND, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1871 Scholar Thurso, Caithnessshire
SUTHERLAND, Donald G Son M 7 1874 Scholar Thurso, Caithnessshire
SUTHERLAND, David G Son M 5 1876 Thurso, Caithnessshire
SUTHERLAND, Isabella G Daughter F 3 1878 Thurso, Caithnessshire
SUTHERLAND, Alexander Son M 1 1880 Thurso, Caithnessshire
ROSS, Philip Servant Unmarried M 19 1862 Farm Serv Wick, Caithnessshire
MCBEATH, Robert Servant Unmarried M 17 1864 Farm Serv Thurso, Caithnessshire
COOPER, Margret Servant Unmarried F 23 1858 Serv (Domestic) Thurso, Caithnessshire
GUNN, Margret Servant Unmarried F 18 1863 Serv (Domestic) Thurso, Caithnessshire

Piece: 41 Folio: 9 Page: 5
Registration District: Thurso
Civil Parish: Thurso

Address: Geise House, Thurso County: Caithnessshire

Doesn't seem likely if he travelled to Australia in 1876.

Feedback needed from Marina!

patchem

patchem Report 7 Apr 2013 12:27

If Lucy died at 74 in 1918 then born 1844, so Donald probably 1840ish?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Apr 2013 12:36

It would fit Patchem.

It's odd that the 1888 death didn't mention a wife but seems the same couple going by the address on each death notice.

There's this marriage:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: Donald G Sutherland
Spouse Name: Lucy B Gordon
Marriage Date: 1884
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1884
Registration number: 1235

But as said above could do with feedback from Marina in case the wrong tree is being barked up!

Would help to know who her grandfather was and what relative Donald Gray is believed to be.

Helen

Helen Report 7 Apr 2013 18:21

If the death info from the Sidney Morning Herald proves correct …

Address: Mybster (in place of Mylater)

A maybe ?

Donald Sutherland born c.1852 in Halkirk, Caithness. Son of James Sutherland and Margaret (Manson ?) James Sutherland is a farmer / Inn-keeper at Mybster, Watten through various census. As noted in the newspaper, this Donald appears to be the third son of this Sutherland family … Alexander .. David .. Donald.


1851 Scotland Census about James Sutherland
Name: James Sutherland
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margt Sutherland
Gender: Male
Where born: Tormsdale, caith
Parish Number: 37
Civil parish: Halkirk
County: Caithness
Address: Mybster
Occupation: Farm Servt
ED: 6
Page: 16 (click to see others on page)

Household schedule number: 42
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_7
Household Members: Name Age
James Sutherland
34
Margt Sutherland
32
Alexr Sutherland
6
David Sutherland
3




1861 Scotland Census about James Sutherland
Name: James Sutherland
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Sutherland
Gender: Male
Where born: Halkirk, Caithness
Registration number: 37
Registration district: Mybster and Dale
Civil parish: Halkirk
County: Caithness
Address: Mybster
Occupation: Farmer Of 20 Acres 2 Labourer
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 40
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_5
Household Members: Name Age
James Sutherland
42
Margaret Sutherland
41
David Sutherland
13
Donald Sutherland
9
William Sutherland
6
Christina Sutherland
3
David Polson
16
Helen Sutherland
18



1871 Scotland Census about James Sutherland
Name: James Sutherland
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Sutherland
Gender: Male
Where born: Halkirk, Caithness
Registration number: 37
Registration district: Mybster and Dale
Civil parish: Halkirk
County: Caithness
Address: Mybster Inn
Occupation: Innkeeper & Far Of 80 Acres 2 Labourer's 1 Boy
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_7
Household Members: Name Age
James Sutherland
54
Margaret Sutherland
52
Christina Sutherland
13
Benjamina Miller
37
Mary Mcdonald
16



1871 Scotland Census about Donald Sutherland ??
Name: Donald Sutherland
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Halkirk, Caithness
Registration number: 43/2
Registration district: Wick Burgh
Civil parish: Wick
Town: Pulteneytown
County: Caithness
Address: 10 Brown Place
Occupation: Apprentice Clerk
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 132
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1871_8
Household Members: Name Age
George Swanson
47
Elizabeth Swanson
35
George Robert Swanson
19
Fanny Elizabeth Swanson
4
Donald Swanson
2
Donald Sutherland
18



1881 Scotland Census about James Sutherland
Name: James Sutherland
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Halkirk, Caithness
Registration number: 37
Registration district: Halkirk
Civil parish: Halkirk
County: Caithness
Address: Mybster Inn
Occupation: Far Of 80 Acr, 60 Ar, Emp 1 M, 1 Girl 1 Boy
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881a_103234
Household Members: Name Age
James Sutherland
65










Cynthia

Cynthia Report 8 Apr 2013 14:01

Friendly message sent on how to return to thread. :-)

Marina

Marina Report 8 Apr 2013 16:09

Thank you to everyone who has helped me in my search for info about Donald. I have been researching my family but Donald did not really feature as he was not directly connected. However, a family 'heirloom' in the form of a diary written by Donald is being transcribed by a cousin. In this diary he describes his voyage to Australia on SS Northumberland which sailed from Plymouth in October 1876 and arrived in Melbourne in November. He posted the diary home accompanied by a letter which describes how he saw the body of Ned Kelly and actually acquired a hair from the tail of Kelly's horse. There has been interest from Australia in respect of the letter. I am trying to pull together the info that proves, as we have been told that he wa our Grandpa's uncle. The family originated in Caithness and Watten, Mybster, Halkirk, Latheron Wheel, etc all feature heavily in my research.
What all of you have done for me today has been valuable beyond measure and on behalf on my family I thank you. :-)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Apr 2013 19:10

pm from Marina (I think timed before the above post)

"Hello MarieCeleste,
Thank you for your interest. We know my Grandfather had an Uncle called Donald who was the son of James and Margaret. A diary was passed down the family as described in my posting. The family are from Caithness and I believe Mybster as Donald writes fondly of Mybster in his diary.
I believe he was born in about 1854.
Regards,
Marina"

So it all seems to fit.