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John William Flower help needed please

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Kazzie

Kazzie Report 8 Apr 2013 23:55

I am trying to find parents/siblings of this guy he was born 1864 Bath died 1941 weymouth his childrens mothers surname is listed as Mead but he didnt marry her untill 1938 years later so wondering if maybe this wasnt his first marriage any help much appreciated

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Apr 2013 00:02

Do you have any census info or certs

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Apr 2013 00:05

1911 poss

Name: John William Flower
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bath
Civil parish: Hanham Abbots
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Willsbridge, Bristol
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 26
Estimated Marriage Year: 1885
Occupation: Gardener
Registration district: Keynsham
Registration District Number: 317
Sub-registration district: Bitton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 14744
Household Members: Name Age
John William Flower 47
Augusta Flower 48
William Victor Flower 17
Harold Ernest Flower 14
Edith Mary Apprilla Flower 11
Walter Henry Flower 10

Kazzie

Kazzie Report 9 Apr 2013 00:06

No looking for him for a friend all know is think he came from Bath to weymouth

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Apr 2013 00:06

Name: Augusta Flower
Birth Date: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1952
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 149




Name: Augusta Flower
Probate Date: 13 Apr 1953
Death Date: 14 Dec 1952
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England
Registry: Bristol


Harefield Cottage, Longwell Green, Glos, widow, died at 44 Cossham Road, St George, Bristol.
Probate to Walter Henry Flower, maintenance engineer and Augusta Frances Stevens (wife of Thomas William Stevens)
Effects £396 8s 10d

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Apr 2013 00:07

Ancestry cross ref to this but they can be wrong

Name: Augusta Witcomb
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 8 Mar 1860
Christening Date: 25 Apr 1860
Christening Place: Clapton (near Midsomer-Norton), Somersetshire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: James Witcomb
Mother's Name: Emily

Kazzie

Kazzie Report 9 Apr 2013 00:08

Did think this could be him but Augusta died later than 1938 whrn he married Marian unless divorced

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Apr 2013 00:09

Think some certs are going to be needed if that is the right family in 1911 and her death which is after that possible marriage in 1938

Kazzie

Kazzie Report 9 Apr 2013 00:14

Seems this isnt the guy after all its Henry Jamez Flower and Jessie Mead not john flower and Marian Mead thanks anyway

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Apr 2013 00:30

:-S

When did Henry marry Jessie ?



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Name: Jessie Caroline Flower
Probate Date: 25 Jan 1943
Death Date: 9 Dec 1942
Death Place: Dorset, England
Registry: Winchester, England


26 Derby St, Weymouth (wife of Henry James Flower)
Administration to the said Henry James Flower, retired grocer.
Effects £267 18 11d


Name: Jessie C Flower
Birth Date: abt 1872
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1942
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Weymouth
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 339



1911
Name: Jessie C Flower
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Weymouth, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Stalbridge
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address: High St, Stalbridge, Dorset
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 4
Estimated Marriage Year: 1907
Registration district: Sturminster
Registration District Number: 258
Sub-registration district: Sturminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 12203
Household Members: Name Age
Henry J Flower 49 - Gillingham
Jessie C Flower 39
Harry Flower 21
Iris May Flower 3
Emily Gardner Lee 27 - visitor
Lilly West 17 - servant


Henry is a grocer




Name: Henry James Flower
Baptism Date: 9 Feb 1862
Parish: Gillingham
Father's Name: James Flower
Mother's Name: Jane Flower

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Apr 2013 00:48

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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Name: FLOWER, Henry James
Registration district: Weymouth
County: Dorset
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 695

MarriageFinder: Henry James Flower married one of the following people:

HILLS, Kate

LOVE, Annie

>> ROSE, Jessie Caroline

BRAINES, Francis Leo

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Apr 2013 00:51

1901 census transcription details for: High Street, Stalbridge
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1969
Folio: 75
Page: 12
Reg. District: Sturminster
Sub District: Stalbridge
Parish: Stalbridge
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Stalbridge
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Stalbridge
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FLOWER, Henry John Head Widower M 38 1863 Gorcer Shopkeeper
Gillingham, Dorsetshire
FLOWER, Harry Son M 11 1890
Stalbridge, Dorsetshire
ROSE, Jessie C House Keeper Single F 28 1873 Housekeeper
Weymouth, Dorsetshire
PHELPS, Lionel Boarder Single M 18 1883 Grocer's Assistant
Dorchester, Dorsetshire



1891 census transcription details for: 5, Hardwick Place, Walpole Street, Weymouth, Weymouth & Melcombe Regis
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1647
Folio: 47
Page: 33
Reg. District: Weymouth
Sub District: Melcombe
Parish: Weymouth
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns
City/Municipal Borough: Weymouth & Melcombe Regis
Address: 5, Hardwick Place, Walpole Street, Weymouth, Weymouth & Melcombe Regis
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ROSE, William Head Widower M 53 1838 Builder
Weymouth, Dorsetshire
ROSE, Jessie C Daughter Single F 18 1873 Dressmaker
Weymouth, Dorsetshire
ROSE, Ada A Daughter Single F 16 1875 Dressmaker
Weymouth, Dorsetshire
ROSE, Edgar T Son Single M 15 1876 Carpenters Apprentice
Weymouth, Dorsetshire
ROSE, George E Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
Weymouth, Dorsetshire




1881 census transcription details for: 12, Stewards Court, Melcombe Regis
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 2104
Folio: 102
Page: 29
Reg. District: Weymouth
Sub District: Weymouth
Parish: Melcombe Regis
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 12, Stewards Court, Melcombe Regis
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ROSE, William Head Married M 43 1838 Builder Undertaker Etc
Melcombe Regis, Dorset
ROSE, Annie Wife Married F 38 1843
Hereford, Herefordshire
ROSE, Henry J Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Melcombe Regis, Dorset
ROSE, Albert E Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Melcombe Regis, Dorset
ROSE, Jessie C Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Melcombe Regis, Dorset
ROSE, Ada A Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Melcombe Regis, Dorset
ROSE, Edgar T Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Melcombe Regis, Dorset
ROSE, George E Son Single M 2 1879
Melcombe Regis, Dorset

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Apr 2013 00:56

1891 census transcription details for: High Street, Stalbridge
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1631
Folio: 77
Page: 14
Reg. District: Sturminster
Sub District: Stalbridge
Parish: Stalbridge
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Stalbridge
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Stalbridge
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FLOWER, Henry J Head Married M 29 1862 Grocer Master
Gillingham, Dorsetshire
FLOWER, Henry E Son M 1 1890
Stalbridge, Dorsetshire
FLOWER, Jane Anna Mother Married F 56 1835
Gillingham, Dorsetshire
MITCHELL, Emily Servant Single F 21 1870 General Servant Domestic
Pulham, Dorsetshire



1881 census transcription details for: Tomlin Lane, Gillingham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 2083
Folio: 15
Page: 10
Reg. District: Shaftesbury
Sub District: Gillingham
Parish: Gillingham
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Tomlin Lane, Gillingham
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FLOWER, James Head Married M 53 1828 Mason
Gillingham, Dorset
FLOWER, Jane A Wife Married F 46 1835 Masons Wife
Gillingham, Dorset
FLOWER, Henry J Son Single M 19 1862 Grocers Apprentice
Gillingham, Dorset


1871 census transcription details for: Tomlin's Lane, Gillingham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1970
Folio: 11
Page: 2
Reg. District: Shaftesbury
Sub District: Gillingham
Parish: Gillingham
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Tomlin's Lane, Gillingham
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
FLOWER, James Head M 44 1827 Dorset
FLOWER, Jane A Wife F 37 1834 Dorset
FLOWER, Henry J Son M 9 1862 Dorset

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Apr 2013 00:57

Not making any sense at the moment as the poster gave her name as Mead

Unless the poster has got muddled again

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Apr 2013 01:05

Henry John/ James is a widower in 1901. Can't find his first wife who possibly died after giving birth to Henry E in 1890.

EDIT No he was down as being married in 1891.

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Apr 2013 01:06

Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: FLOWER, Henry Edwin
Registration district: Sturminster
County: Dorset
Year of registration: 1890
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 223

Kazzie

Kazzie Report 9 Apr 2013 12:22

Thanks everyone this has all been a great help