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Thank you everyone for your most valued contributions, I am slowly filling in the life of my Grandfather who led a somewhat unusual life with a variety of partners; more 21st century than early 20th.

Despite the disappointment of her marriage by grandmother remained friends with Cecil and they corresponded up to their deaths

Trevor

When Mabel Janet returned from New York she had 2 children with her. Could this be the little girl?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Mabel A Sladen
Birth Date: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Age at Death: 7
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 718

Mabel Janet's parents were in Dartford in 1911 ..........

I suspect that Mabel was actually born as Copsey:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Mabel Janet Copsey
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1889
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1016

and I don't think Henry and Janet from the 1901 married until much later than implied:

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Henry D Damiral
Spouse : Janet G Copsey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1930
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 2365

Wonder if this is Mabel in 1901?

DAMIRAL, Henry Head Married M 34 1867 Storekeeper ( R Ars) Greenwich, Kent
DAMIRAL, Janet Wife Married F 34 1867 Brightlingsea, Essex
DAMIRAL, Mabel Daughter Single F 11 1890 New Cross, London

Piece: 573 Folio: 74 Page: 4
Registration District: Woolwich
Civil Parish: Plumstead

Address: 37, Bramblebury Road, Plumstead County: London

Looks like the father may have been a storekeeper at Royal Arsenal which could be how Mabel and Cecil met?

EDIT: According to the 1911 Henry was a book-keeper at the Royal Arsenal, they's been married 18 years and had no children born to the marriage?

Edith might have been baptized in Southport, but she was born in Cheetham:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1875
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SLADEN Edith Constance Mabel Cheetham Manchester CHE/44/49
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SLADEN Cecil G Cheetham Manchester CHE/46/65

Name: John Sladen
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Butterworth
Event Date: 08 Sep 1830
Event Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00546-7
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 438194, 438195
Reference ID:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJ5V-VZW

Not finding a birth for her, but she's on a tree on Ancestry. No mention of the liaison with Cecil or the children to him but it has to be her.

Some lovely photos, she was very pretty.

If Trevor doesn't have access to Ancestry then he could look on the sister site Mundia, which is free. You can search and view trees and contact tree owners.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/

Think I've tracked the son and mother:

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Cecil Richard Sladen
Year: 1937
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: City of Westminster
Street Address: 16 Denbigh Street

Several people at that address including a Claude Gerald and Mabel Janet Bridgman.

There is this marriage:

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Mabel J Damiral
Spouse Surname: Bridgland
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1921
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 866

Another thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/730763

Not finding a Mabel Demmerill at all. :-S :-S

From Google:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/34755/supplements/8395/page.pdf

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/34928/supplements/5147/page.pdf

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/28940/pages/8252/page.pdf

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27177/pages/2040/page.pdf

There are other bits and bobs.

Have just come across this old thread:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/730934

Would be worth Trevor attempting to get in touch with the poster.

In her post she thinks that the info about the 1901 marriage for Cecil Gordon was incorrect:
"I don't think that is the right one sorry, as Cecil Gordon married a Mabel Demmerill."

Aha, now we have Mabel's surname. The son is named as Cecil Richard Sladen born 30/3/1913 New York.

I'll put a link to this thread on there.

Looks like his sister never married:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Edith Constance Mabel Sladen
Probate Date: 19 Mar 1962
Death Date: 7 Jan 1962
Death Place: Royal Leamington Spa
Registry: Birmingham, England

Spinster, lived 31 Radford Road, Leamington Spa. Died Warwick Hospital. Probate to Westminster Bank. Effects £14,718 14s 3d

Edith May's second marriage.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Edith May Sladen
Name: Edith May Sladen
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 1070
Record Arthur Esmond Riddle


and her husband.


1911 census transcription details for: The Rectory Tadmarton Banbury
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN8278 RG78PN425 RD158 SD2 ED2 SN4
Reg. District: Banbury
Sub District: Swalcliffe
Parish: Tadmarton
Enum. District: 2
Address: The Rectory Tadmarton Banbury
County: Oxfordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
RIDDLE, Arthur Esmond Head Widower M 58 1853 Clerk In Holy Orders Glostershire Cheltenham
RIDDLE, Margaret J Daughter Single F 27 1884 Westmoreland Rydal
RIDDLE, Arthur E S Son Single M 20 1891 Undergraduate Oxfordshire Tadmarton
RIDDLE, Francis E L Son Single M 17 1894 Scholar Oxfordshire Tadmarton
RIDDLE, Annie May Daughter Single F 15 1896 Scholar Oxfordshire Tadmarton
RIDDLE, Gerald Kennedy Son Single M 14 1897 Scholar Oxfordshire Tadmarton
HALL, Harriet Servant Married F 48 1863 Cook Bedfordshire Houghton Regis
GREGORY, Dora Mary Servant Single F 19 1892 Housemaid Warwickshire Burton Dorsett
BOURTON, Hilda Servant Single F 16 1895 Under Housemaid Oxfordshire Tadmarton

Lancashire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 about Edith Constance Mabel Sladen
Name: Edith Constance Mabel Sladen
Baptism Date: 17 Jan 1876
Parish: Southport, Christ Church
Father: James Butterworth Sladen
Mother: Edith May Sladen
Reference Number: Pr 2941/1/4


Possibly Mabel, the sister mentioned in the passenger list of 1908.



1901 census transcription details for: The Rectory, Tadmarton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1402
Folio: 18
Page: 1
Reg. District: Banbury
Sub District: Swalcliffe
Parish: Tadmarton
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: Tadmarton Saint Nicholas
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: The Rectory, Tadmarton
County: Oxfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
>>SLADEN, Mabel Head Single F 25 1876 Living On Own Means
Cheethm Hill, Lancashire
RIDDLE, Francis Half Brother Single M 7 1894
Tadmarton, Oxfordshire
RIDDLE, Annie Half Sister Single F 5 1896
Tadmarton, Oxfordshire
RIDDLE, Gerald Half Brother Single M 4 1897
Tadmarton, Oxfordshire
TURNER, Emily Servant Married F 40 1861 Cook (Domestic)
Cambridge
LINES, Ellen Servant Single F 20 1881 House Maid Domestic
Sibford Ferris, Oxfordshire
WYLDE, Eliza Servant Single F 13 1888 Under Nurse Domestic
Woolwich, London

The 1908 arrival in the US mentioned he'd been there previously, this must be him returning from the first trip:

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Mr C G Sladen
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 11 Dec 1902
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Celtic
Shipping Line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 113476

Manifest is actually Mr & Mrs C G Sladen. No other info. They were travelling first class.

Going back to that possible 1939 marriage I posted, there is this:

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Cecil G Sladen
Year: 1964
County or Borough: Carshalton
Ward or Division/Constituency: Carshalton North West
Street Address: 8 Prince of Wales Road

Now, I know this is dated 1964 and he died 1963 but it depends on the timings. Gladys is alone at this address on the 1965 ER.

???


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Mabel Sladen
Name: Mabel Sladen
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 25
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 12 Dec 1914
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lusitania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Lusitania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 124082

With 4 year old Mabel and 2 year old Cecil. Going to Abbotsford hotel, Russell Square, London.

And her returning to England:

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Mabel Sladen
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 25
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 12 Dec 1914
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lusitania
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 124082

She's listed as a housewife and has her 2 children with her - Mabel (4) and Cecil (2).

They were going to the Abbotsford Hotel, Russell Square, London.

I think this may be that Mabel in 1910:

1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Mabel Sladen
Age in 1910: 20
Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 21, New York, New York
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1908
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Christiana Clausen 52
John Giese 28
[48]
George Polychronis 35
Martin J Byrnes 28
George C Sladen 33
Mabel Sladen 20
David J Landaton 51
Emelia Lunsden 38
Victor Sbontone 45
Lawrence Laster 53 [50]

Slightly different version to the one Alviegal posted:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Carie Gorden Sladen (Cecil Gordon)
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1908
Birth Date: abt 1877
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: elelbaft - looks like London
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Adriatic

Travelling with his wife Mabel !!! She was 20.

Gives nok in England as sister in law Miss Mabel Sladen, Tadmartan ?? Rectory, Banbury. EDIT: Think it was his sister and her sister-in-law.

He was an engineer, had previously been in USA for 3 months. Contact in the US was a friend Mr Grafton (Grafter?) in Kingston, New York.