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Jennifer,

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Hi Martyn

Your GGrandfather William's brother, George, is my husband's GGGrandfather. I'm struggling with an accurate date of birth for George as on some censuses is says abt 1870 and some 1873 and his wedding certificate says he's 30 in 1905 making it 1875 but I'm fairly sure this is the right family because my Mother in Law knows he was one of 16. I did wonder if there was two Georges - one born in 1870 that died soon after but I haven't been able to establish this.

I agree their parents were Robert and Isabel(la) but I think the Vert link is a red herring......there are two Robert and Isabellas in the Rothbury area at that time.....Isabella Vert is further away from Rothbury, though. I might be wrong, however. I'm struggling to find their marriage but think Robert was born 1805 Whittingham died 1886. Isabella born 1809 Rothbury died 1878 Rothbury.

I think Robert's (1805) parents were William Richardson and Florence Crozier but I've reached a dead end with finding anything on them. Thought Florence would be a good name but nothing except her registering her children.

Let me know if you want to share any more info. Regards, Jenny

You respond on here, then we can all see what is going on.

I could not see an obvious birth for Adam or Andrew Taylor on free bmd - perhaps they did not like records.

Good point about the 1874 marriage in Newcastle. I never really looked at it that way before.

Hello all,

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Regards

Martyn

Thanks Patchem,

Yes this is the Taylor family I am referring to. However it is the marriage between Robert & this Mary Taylor that I am trying to establish. As you can see there are quite a few similar names between Mary Taylor's' parents Peers & Mary & Robert Richardson's siblings.

Robert RICHARDSON (1833-1891)
Mary RICHARDSON - (1832-1896)
John RICHARDSON (1855- )
William RICHARDSON (1856-1936)
Eleanor Isabella Francis RICHARDSON (1857- )
Mary RICHARDSON (1860?- )
Robert RICHARDSON (1861?- )
Andrew RICHARDSON (1863-1938)
Isabella RICHARDSON (1864- )
Jane RICHARDSON (1867- )
Margaret RICHARDSON (1869?- )
George RICHARDSON (1870?- )
Alexander RICHARDSON (1871-1871)
Laura Annie RICHARDSON (1872- )
Elizabeth Taylor RICHARDSON (1874- )
Jessie Hannah RICHARDSON (1878- )

Name Andrew Taylor
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's Name Eleanor Sharp
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date10 Sep 1821
Event Place Alwinton, Northumberland, England
Father's Name
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's Name
Spouse's Mother's Name
Race
Marital Status
Previous Wife's Name
Spouse's Race
Spouse's Marital Status
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name
Indexing Project (Batch) NumberM00017-3
System OriginEngland-ODM
GS Film number1068613
Reference ID

Thanks

Martyn

Have you got Mary in 1841 with family?
Thanks

Added:
Is this the family as Rothbury is near Alwinton
1841 England Census
Mary Taylor Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Female Where born: Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Rothbury Hundred: Coquetdale (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland Country: England
Registration district: Rothbury Sub-registration district: Rothbury
Piece: 831 Book: 23 Folio: 4 Page Number: 14
Jasper Taylor 75
Eleanor Taylor 35
Margaret Taylor 13
Cathrine Taylor 11
Mary Taylor 9
Elizabeth Taylor 7
Eleanor Taylor 5
Adam Taylor 3
Andrew Taylor 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 831; Book: 23; Civil Parish: Rothbury; County: Northumberland; Enumeration District: 5c; Folio: 4; Page: 14; Line: 21; GSU roll: 438891.

If it is the correct family then Andrew's birth certificate will give mother's maiden name.

Hi all, thank you for your responses.

I feel that Robert had not been married previously as most of their children seem to be named after Robert and Mary's parents and peers.
Mary's father was Andrew and her mother was Eleanor Sharp.
I have trawled through a lot of parish records for Roberts Marriage & Birth to no avail.
Some of them seem to be missing for the dates I am looking for.

I am not quite sure In which Parish I should be looking.

I also think that Roberts parents were Robert and Isabella, possibly Vert.

Regards
Martyn

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1841 census


Person: TAYLOR, Margt Address: Lilburn, East, Eglingham, Lilburn, East

TAYLOR, James M 50 1791 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Mary F 45 1796 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Andrew M 20 1821 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, William M 15 1826 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, James M 15 1826 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Isabella F 12 1829 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Mary F 10 1831 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Ann F 6 1835 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Martha F 4 1837 Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Margt F 8 1833 Northumberland

The images for parish records for the area are on this link:
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMMRX-TT2%3An540952097%3Fcc%3D1309819

Happy browsing!

1861 census


Person: RICHARDSON, Robert Address: Shadfen, Hepscott


RICHARDSON, Robert Head Married M 28 1833 Agricultural Labourer
Wooler, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, Mary Wife Married F 27 1834
Harbottle, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, John Son M 6 1855
Rothbury, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, Wm Son M 4 1857
Alwinton, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, Eleanor Js Fe Daughter F 3 1858
Alwinton, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, Mary Daughter F 1 1860
Hartburn, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, Robert Son M 0 (1M) 1861
Morpeth, Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Margt Servant Unmarried F 27 1834 House Servant
Harbottle, Northumberland


Suggest Margaret may have been Mary's sister

Seeing as he had a daughter called Isabella then she could have been named for his mother:

Robert Richardson in entry for Isabella, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1864
Christening Place: ALNHAM, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND
Birth Date: 1864
Father's Name: Robert Richardson
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00133-2
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1068613
Reference ID: - 2:W8G4P3

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NDX8-S8G

1851 census

Person: TAYLOR, Mary Address: Newlands

SCOTT, Joseph Head Married M 57 1794 Farm Bailiff
Egglingham, Northumberland VIEW
SCOTT, Ann Wife Married F 47 1804 Farm Bailiff Wife
Alwinton, Northumberland VIEW
SCOTT, Magdillen Daughter Married F 21 1830 Farm Bailiff
Chillingham, Northumberland VIEW
SCOTT, John Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Ag Lab
Chillingham, Northumberland VIEW
SCOTT, William Son M 14 1837 Ag Lab
Chillingham, Northumberland VIEW
SCOTT, Joan Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar
Chillingham, Northumberland VIEW
SCOTT, Robert Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Chatton, Northumberland VIEW
TAYLOR, Mary Servant Unmarried F 18 1833 Ag Lab
Alwinton, Northumberland VIEW
GIBSON, George Son-In-Law Married M 23 1828 Ag Lab
Bamburgh, Northumberland VIEW
GIBSON, George Grand Son M 1 1850
Egglingham, Northumberland

You won't be able to find a birth record for Robert.......he was born before the GRO came into being.

Look for a baptism............

https://familysearch.org/

1851 census

Person: RICHARDSON, Robert Address: Dancinghall


RICHARDSON, Robert Head Married M 45 1806 Ag Lab
Thornton, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, Isabell Wife Married F 43 1808
Whitfield, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, Robert Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Ag Lab
Plamfield, Northumberland VIEW
RICHARDSON, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 14 1837
Reighill, Northumberland VIEW
KENADY, Margaret Lodger Unmarried F 30 1821 Pauper Out Of Health
Whittingham, Northumberland

You could get the marriage certificate and then see if it fits with what you know about them - place,age, occupation, address.
Have you got Robert and Mary in the 1841 and 1851 censuses?

Hello Martyn - welcome to the boards.

Just because a couple claimed to be married it doesn't mean that they were! There may have been some impediment as to why they didn't marry until later, such as one of them being married to someone else so they waited until that first spouse had died. (Although quite a few didn't bother waiting and just blithely committed bigamy).

Or, perhaps they just never got round to it until later?

EDIT:
Also, I'm a little suspicious of that 1874 marriage - they seem to stay consistently further up Northumberland so if they DID ever marry they would have been more likely to do it locally rather than travel into Newcastle.

Hello,

Can anyone please help me to find the marriage between Robert Richardson Born 1833 Born in Plainfield, Northumberland, & Mary Taylor Born 1932 in Low Alwinton, Northumberland,

There is a record of a Robert Richardsons Marriage to Mary Taylor in Newcastle - October to December 1874 - Vol 10b Page 305 - This would make Robert about 41 Years old.

However, their eldest son John,was Born 1855 in Allendean Spittle, Northumberland, and every census from 1861 claims they claim they were married.

The Birth Certificate of My Great Grandfather (William Richardson) Born 1856 - Shows that his mother was Mary Taylor & his father was Robert Richardson.

Any Help would be much appreciated as I seem to have come to a complete dead end with both Roberts Birth & Marriage.

Regards

Martyn