Find Ancestors

Thanks Marie. I just wanted to check before you started spending money on certificates that you had made sure that James was the right one as there are one or two around.

Do you know if your James (1910) had any brothers or sisters born from mid 1911 onwards? If he did that might be an easy way of checking his mother's maiden name as the maiden name was recorded on the birth index from then on.

You said somewhere I think that you found your ggdad had 7 siblings and only 5 are showing on 1911.

Thank you all so much for guiding me in the right direction, One thing i know for sure is my James is not from Wigan or Leeds as I been able to follow them both up to 1911 where they are both in their respective places. I am looking at the post from Dea, with the spelling of Tarphe, this looks promising.

M xx

You started by asking for James born 1878.
However, on both the 1901 and 1911 censuses that have been posted by Shirley he is born 1872/1873.
Do you know which date (1878 or 1872) is more accurate?

1891 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address 37, John Street
Parish Wigan
District Wigan, Wigan
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name Domnick Tarpey
Age 50
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation General Labourer
Birth Place Ireland
Birth County
Householder 2
Name Mary Tarpey
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Servant Domestic
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 3
Name James Tarpey
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Coal Miner Drawer
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 4
Name Annie Tarpey
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire

Is this him

1901 Census Household Record
Household information
Address 1 Worsleys Yard
Civil Parish Wigan
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Wigan St Catharine
Parliamentary Borough or Division Wigan
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Wigan
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name Julius Diamond
Relation to Head of Family Brother
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 32
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Clogger
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Dominic Tarpey
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widower
Age Last Birthday 53
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born Ireland
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name James Tarpey
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Coal Hewers Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity

You get certs from www.gro.gov.uk cost £9.25 each with the GRO ref.

You have to register on the site ,free, then follow the order form , you only need to specify what type of cert you want the name and the GRO ref where asked . You must tick the box that asks if the GRO is known .
In the case of a marriage cert you only need to put one of the parties names. Put the info in as its quoted on the ref even if its misspelt

Hi Ann,

This my first week doing this, I haven't even found out how to get a birth certificate yet! can be this be done by email? I do know for sure this is the right one because of the address on the census.

Thank you for your help

Marie x

It might be as well to start with your g granddad's birth certificate which would confim his parents names. You say you know he was born in 1900 but from both the 1901 & 1911 census he was born in 1901

Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
Tarpey James Manchester 8d 275

I assume you have proved he was the right one from details about his marriage and your grandad's birth

Hi Dea,

I started with my gdad James Tarpey who I know was born 1900. He shows up in both 1901, 9 weeks old and 1911 at 10 yrs old. His dad is named as James, and in 1901 he is 28. After that I can't any birth record.
I'm sure I will get the hang of it.

One thing that has shocked me so far, is that my gdad had 7 siblings that I knew nothing about. If i don't get any further with my search I am now looking for living relatives which is very exciting.


Thank you so much

Marie x

Hi Marie,

The first and most important thing that you must learn is NEVER to 'assume' that you are following the correct family without proof !

You must start with what you know to be true and work backwards ! ;-)

How have you worked back to this James on the 1901 and have you proved that he is the correct one with certs?

If you want us to check through this for you just post the details.

Good luck!

Dea x

Thank you all so much. I have such a lot to learn.
i can't imagine doing my mothers family she has Polish ancestors.



Marie xx

This could be a 'possible' for the birth?

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
TARPHE James Ardwick Manchester ARD/107/41

From LancsBMD site.

Dea x

?
1861 England Census
Bridget Tarpy Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Aunt
Gender: Female Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Leeds Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 157 Piece: 3378 Folio: 77 Page Number: 28
James Fox 20
Ellen Fox 26
Maria Fox 17
Annie Fox 11
Bridget Tarpy 22 married
Thomas Tarpy 2 Leeds
John Tarpy 1 Months Leeds
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 3378; Folio: 77; Page: 28; GSU roll: 543122.

You need the marriage certificate for name of Father.
Why moving Leeds, Manchester, Leeds?

In that 1891 census Patrick Fox, 56, Ireland, licensed hawker, is recorded as 'brother'.

Bridget still claims married

Added:
Marriages Jun 1858
Broadbent William Leeds 9b 463
xxxFox Bridget Leeds 9b 463
Rhodes Charlotte Leeds 9b 463
xxxxTarpy Patrick Leeds 9b 463

?

Name: Patrick Tarpey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1881
Age at Death: 43
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 68

It may be his birth wasnt registered .there were no penalties before 1875 for non registration .

He may have been Catholic and his parents thought baptism was all that was necessary,
If we have picked up the right James them you need his marriage cert for his dads name as he seems to be the youngest child.

Following on from Shirley

Bridget Tarpey maiden name Fox. born 1843 , Leitrim
Father= Patrick Torpy [ Tarpey ] born 1838 /ireland,as per 1871 census
" Market St, Manchester"

???
1881 England Census about James Tarpey
Name: James Tarpey
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Bridget Tarpey
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Spring Street
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4512
Folio: 77
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Bridget Tarpey 38 b Leitrim Ireland occ tailoress
John Tarpey 20
Mary Tarpey 18
Bridget Tarpey 17
George Tarpey 13
Elizabeth Tarpey 12
Patrick Tarpey 10
Joseph Tarpey 8
James Tarpey 6
James Hy. Waui 21

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4512; Folio: 77; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1342082.



1891 England Census about James Tarpey
Name: James Tarpey
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Bridget Tarpey
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edmunds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:2 Copper Street

Occupation:carter

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3684
Folio: 137
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Bridget Tarpey 51
Bridget Tarpey 27
Elizabeth Tarpey 22
Patrick Tarpey 20
Joseph Tarpey 18
James Tarpey 16
Mary M Rice 1
Patrick Fox 56

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3684; Folio: 137; Page: 26; GSU Roll: 6098794.

Have you got his marriage certificate with the name of his Father?
Thanks

Thank so much for this. I have this info, but i am not sure how the find out where was born. the census states Manchester, but even doing a wider search of Lancashire I cant find anything.

thank you
Marie